Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

[powerpuncher]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Because we all think jumping in with Spence is a bad idea and that fighting another welter first is the better idea. I would love it if he could fight Loma first and then make the jump. That probably won’t happen either though yet we still talk about it

[p4pking]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Well it’s all hypothetical anyways until something is signed, Mikey fought not long ago, I was just saying. Feel like you follow boxing on a day to day thing much more than I, so no real qualms with your stance. Don’t you think it’d be wiser for Garcia to test the waters against someone lesser who holds the weight, though? He looked and struggled every bit the part of a smaller man against lipinets...I totally understand just wanting to see good fights made, but this one could be better in due course, right? I don’t think it’s even competitive if made next.

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Well it’s all hypothetical anyways until something is signed, Mikey fought not long ago, I was just saying. Feel like you follow boxing on a day to day thing much more than I, so no real qualms with your stance. Don’t you think it’d be wiser for Garcia to test the waters against someone lesser who holds the weight, though? He looked and struggled every bit the part of a smaller man against lipinets...I totally understand just wanting to see good fights made, but this one could be better in due course, right? I don’t think it’s even competitive if made next.

Generally I would say grow into a weight. But I don’t think Mikey will ever have any more chance against Spence than he does now. I don’t think he beats him now or 2 years from now.

I think it is only a chance for both to get paid and Mikey to walk away with the reputation that he will fight anyone which he can then use to force Loma’s hand. Right now people say Arum/Mikey have issues even though Mikey is quite clear he is willing to make that fight and wants to talk. This leaves Loma free and clear. Nobody demands anything of Loma and somehow the guy clearly willing to fight gets the blame. If he fights Spence everyone knows for certain he is willing to fight Loma so the pressure shifts and we have a chance at least at getting the fight we want.

My only concern in this is how do we force Arum to allow Garcia/Loma

[Alpha]

Loma is scheduled to face Pedraza in Dec. Mikey should defend against Commey, they could then realistically start to negotiate this fight.

Both guys best move in my opinion is to unify 135, then look at 140 and the Ramirez/ Orozco winner, Hooker and the WBSS winner.

The fighters at 147 all have their own work to do in the meantime.

[powerpuncher]

Loma is scheduled to face Pedraza in Dec. Mikey should defend against Commey, they could then realistically start to negotiate this fight.

Both guys best move in my opinion is to unify 135, then look at 140 and the Ramirez/ Orozco winner, Hooker and the WBSS winner.

The fighters at 147 all have their own work to do in the meantime.

Completely true. Win or lose, Mikey has options at 140. There are really good fights at 140 for him that would really boost his ratings especially if he beats Loma first.

[Spicoli]

Loma is scheduled to face Pedraza in Dec. Mikey should defend against Commey, they could then realistically start to negotiate this fight.

Both guys best move in my opinion is to unify 135, then look at 140 and the Ramirez/ Orozco winner, Hooker and the WBSS winner.

The fighters at 147 all have their own work to do in the meantime.

Makes great sense so they probably wont do it . I actually feel a bit for Mikey as Spence, Garcia and Porter were all talking around him and about the winner meeting Spence next year on the last two cards. Spence talking winner just didn't make sense with the calendar and I feel Mikey was a bit of a pawn. We'll see though but at least on Saturday Garcia wasn't even mentioned and barley looked at the camera. I would love to see him bring a broom to 140 if Loma mega fight remains mute.

[Alpha]

I feel both Garcia and Spence used it a bit to raise their profiles, the fight may still happen, but hopefully Mikey's team will be able to convince him of a different path for now.

I just don't really see the path they are taking for Garcia with a Spence fight. If he wins would he stay at 147 and fight the other top guys? I know that's what I'd want from him if he won, that makes a Loma fight an even more remote possibility. Or would/could he drop back to 140 or 135 for Loma or whoever has emerged at 140?

Where does he settle if he loses? I doubt he'd stay at welter. So probably 140 is more likely.

Mikey strikes me as a guy who could live without boxing, he might just take the money and retire.

Personally I think Mikey can make excellent fights at 135 and 140, as well as good money, for another year or 2 before a need even arises to go to 147.

[Ron Swanson]

I really don’t mean to offend when I say it looks like people are just brainstorming

Mikey could make great fights at 135, against who? Arum won’t take Mikey’s calls. His stepson won’t take Mikey’s calls. Let’s recap this

When asked about Mikey/Loma Arum said Mikey is impossible to negotiate with.

Mikey responded “how would he know, he’s never negotiated with me, call me”

When asked about this Arum said point blank “I won’t negotiate with Mikey, I’ll make him an offer to fight on ESPN he can take it or leave it”

To which Mikey responded, call me.

Getting no call he called Bob and Bobs son in law. Neither took or returned his calls. So Mikey started talking to other people at Top Rank who said flat out that they don’t want Loma to fight him.

So I repeat, what great fights at 135? Linares? Does anyone think Linares would stand a chance against Mikey with his chin?

To get Loma he has to put his foot on their throats. To do that he has to show it isn’t an Arum/Mikey issue it is that they don’t want to fight Mikey issue. We already know that from Bobs words. But everyone has to know that or Bob can continue to do what he has already done “we will make him an offer” and just not make an offer when there is no follow up. Everyone needs to be “why won’t you fight Mikey?” to have a chance at it happening, everyone.

And Spence was quite clear after the Porter/Garcia fight his plan is Garcia December/January, Porter whenever Porter is ready to fight again, then Thurman. We don’t know if it will go down that way but it is clear Mikey/Errol still want to fight. Bad move from Mikey on that fight but if he comes out not damaged he can get loud “look at what I’m doing, I’m smaller than Loma but I’m looking for big fights, why won’t he fight me?” (Smaller in the sense they started at the same weight and Loma is taller) It would put major pressure on TR to make the fight we all want. If anyone thinks it doesn’t need major pressure they have their head in the sand ignoring what TR is saying. Mikey has been saying for a year now “they don’t want it”, Bob has been dodging and deflecting. It’s clear as day TR doesn’t want that fight