Most evil person in history

[El Kabong]

Wasn't Jesus the original Marxist?

VERY different.

Christ preached love, forgiveness and tolerance.

Marx encouraged class hatred and violent revolution.

Giving to those in need of your own free will is what Jesus preached. He didn't have government enforcement.

[Freedom]

Some who were evil but not as well known include:

Elizabeth Báthory, most prolific female serial killer of all time, who tried to stay young by bathing in the blood of little girls

Mass murderer Lazar Kaganovich, architect of the holodomor

Genrikh Yagoda, head of the Soviet NKVD in the 1930s

[Gandalf]

Wasn't Jesus the original Marxist?

VERY different.

Christ preached love, forgiveness and tolerance.

Marx encouraged class hatred and violent revolution.

Giving to those in need of your own free will is what Jesus preached. He didn't have government enforcement.

He claimed that there would come a time when the rich would be stripped of everything and the poor would have something. He just never got the chance to show how he would make that happen. We do know how that works in a world where revolution is successful though.

That's the dichotomy of the contemporary American Christian for me. They vote right wing and donate to churches, but it seems the complete opposite of what Jesus would have done.

[Gandalf]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" Jesus - Those sound like the words of a revolutionary.

Then later his brother James seemingly says the following in one of his final sermons. James was known to have spread the word closest to that of Jesus being his brother and lead disciple: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. .." - James

Again, these words sound more like something you would hear from a Chavez or a Castro.

[walrus]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" Jesus - Those sound like the words of a revolutionary.

Then later his brother James seemingly says the following in one of his final sermons. James was known to have spread the word closest to that of Jesus being his brother and lead disciple: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. .." - James

Again, these words sound more like something you would hear from a Chavez or a Castro.

Ha I like when people who don’t even follow Christianity pick a couple verses and use them to make a point. People spend a lifetime studying these vereses, miles is now a biblical expert. Why quote someone you don’t beleive?

[p4pking]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" Jesus - Those sound like the words of a revolutionary.

Then later his brother James seemingly says the following in one of his final sermons. James was known to have spread the word closest to that of Jesus being his brother and lead disciple: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. .." - James

Again, these words sound more like something you would hear from a Chavez or a Castro.

Ha I like when people who don’t even follow Christianity pick a couple verses and use them to make a point. People spend a lifetime studying these vereses, miles is now a biblical expert. Why quote someone you don’t beleive?

I think there are a couple of easy points to make there, but I just can’t get on your bad side. With Denny gone I just don’t feel any love here any more.

[Gandalf]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" Jesus - Those sound like the words of a revolutionary.

Then later his brother James seemingly says the following in one of his final sermons. James was known to have spread the word closest to that of Jesus being his brother and lead disciple: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. .." - James

Again, these words sound more like something you would hear from a Chavez or a Castro.

Ha I like when people who don’t even follow Christianity pick a couple verses and use them to make a point. People spend a lifetime studying these vereses, miles is now a biblical expert. Why quote someone you don’t beleive?

I do not claim to be a Biblical expert, but the Bible as Brock pointed out was just the bits a few big wigs in the 3rd century decided to collate and then the rest was excluded, often violently so. Now if you want to reference only the Bible as given to you in Hollywood/theological form then that is on you, but some people like to look into the actual history of things. Jesus appeared to be a bit of a radical and surely that is no big slur. Also a nationalist too, so you ain't getting in.

[walrus]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" Jesus - Those sound like the words of a revolutionary.

Then later his brother James seemingly says the following in one of his final sermons. James was known to have spread the word closest to that of Jesus being his brother and lead disciple: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. .." - James

Again, these words sound more like something you would hear from a Chavez or a Castro.

Ha I like when people who don’t even follow Christianity pick a couple verses and use them to make a point. People spend a lifetime studying these vereses, miles is now a biblical expert. Why quote someone you don’t beleive?

I do not claim to be a Biblical expert, but the Bible as Brock pointed out was just the bits a few big wigs in the 3rd century decided to collate and then the rest was excluded, often violently so. Now if you want to reference only the Bible as given to you in Hollywood/theological form then that is on you, but some people like to look into the actual history of things. Jesus appeared to be a bit of a radical and surely that is no big slur. Also a nationalist too, so you ain't getting in.

Oh didn’t know Brock the prince of darkness was involved in this discussion as well. I’ll step out, have fun both of u

[Gandalf]

In the New Testament there is/are:

1 letter from James the brother and successor of Jesus.

2 from Peter

3 from John

And 14 from Paul the man rejected and scorned by the disciples of Jesus.

Are you really comfortable with that Walrus?

Not looking to argue but it is quite obvious that the New Testament has little to do with the actual Jesus.

Paul was a charlatan and manipulator. The Daily Mail journalist of his day and that was chosen above everything else because Jerusalem had of course been destroyed and the friends of Jesus were all dead and had no voice?

I think I will take the words of James over the words of Paul. I am an earthly economic socialist. To think the Jews were persecuted because of Christianity all those centuries. It's interesting stuff. Hitler was a Catholic wasn't he and why on earth does the church need all that wealth and TV propaganda? It's completely phony. Maybe the most evil man in history will end up being Paul.

[brocktonblockbust]

Islam gives a much more accurate picture of what Jesus actually said and what Jesus actually stood for. In the Koran it shows Jesus as someone who is a warrior to kill and to slaughter.

The watered-down Anglo-Saxon northern European spin of what Jesus really was is the laughing stock of the world