Middleweight, what’s next?

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I don't think it's possible for Charlo to face GGG before the end of the year. I could be wrong, but GGG just came out of a very physical fight, and I also don't think Charlo would take that fight coming off only 2 rounds in the ring over the last 18 months.

I'm only saying the end of the year because Jermall stated his next fight was in December. If that's the case, it'll more than likely be a tune up type opponent. If that happens, a possible GGG fight gets pushed to around March or April. Leaving neither with enough time for a May fight with Canelo. September would work.

Add in that Oscar was talking about the GGG trilogy being an option, I can see the WBC doing whatever Canelo and Oscar request.

I think Showtime is the obvious choice for GGG to land, but I'm no expert and have no idea what offers he has been receiving.

I not so sure how accurate the statement "The Charlo fight is set to go" is.

Has he announced an opponent? Just look at what has happened, GGG has petitioned the WBC for the option to skip Charlo, he has contacted Saunders and Andrade’s people for if the WBC refuses to allow him to skip Charlo. It seems we must accept that they meant it when they said they would never fight Charlo.

Again, wasn't it Sanchez who said they wouldn't fight Charlo?

The Saunders/Andrade and Jacobs/Derevy winners are bigger, better, more relevant fights in my opinion. What's Charlo's best win at 160? And if he can make millions against Canelo again, why would he bother with Jermall?

Also the Haymon/Oscar beef could also make negotiations frustrating.

anyone else thinking Danny Jacobs could whip Canelo?

Jacobs has the size and movement to give Canelo grief.

Yes, Sanchez sang that song all around town and nobody stopped him. If your buddy tells the girls you are talking to you don’t have a girlfriend and you don’t refute it you have backed the statement.

I’m not sure what Oscar/Harmon has to do with negotiations on GGG/Charlo. Did Oscar get rights to GGG out of the fight agreement with Canelo?

So GGG never said that he won't fight Jermall?

All I've ever seen Gennady say, is 'of course' he would fight Charlo. So I'm not sure where your getting that he hasn't.

I was meaning if a Canelo/Charlo fight had to be negotiated, if GGG went another direction, the negotiations could be tedious. No sure that's a problem anymore, if Canelo stays at 168.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think it's possible for Charlo to face GGG before the end of the year. I could be wrong, but GGG just came out of a very physical fight, and I also don't think Charlo would take that fight coming off only 2 rounds in the ring over the last 18 months.

I'm only saying the end of the year because Jermall stated his next fight was in December. If that's the case, it'll more than likely be a tune up type opponent. If that happens, a possible GGG fight gets pushed to around March or April. Leaving neither with enough time for a May fight with Canelo. September would work.

Add in that Oscar was talking about the GGG trilogy being an option, I can see the WBC doing whatever Canelo and Oscar request.

I think Showtime is the obvious choice for GGG to land, but I'm no expert and have no idea what offers he has been receiving.

I not so sure how accurate the statement "The Charlo fight is set to go" is.

Has he announced an opponent? Just look at what has happened, GGG has petitioned the WBC for the option to skip Charlo, he has contacted Saunders and Andrade’s people for if the WBC refuses to allow him to skip Charlo. It seems we must accept that they meant it when they said they would never fight Charlo.

Again, wasn't it Sanchez who said they wouldn't fight Charlo?

The Saunders/Andrade and Jacobs/Derevy winners are bigger, better, more relevant fights in my opinion. What's Charlo's best win at 160? And if he can make millions against Canelo again, why would he bother with Jermall?

Also the Haymon/Oscar beef could also make negotiations frustrating.

anyone else thinking Danny Jacobs could whip Canelo?

Jacobs has the size and movement to give Canelo grief.

Yes, Sanchez sang that song all around town and nobody stopped him. If your buddy tells the girls you are talking to you don’t have a girlfriend and you don’t refute it you have backed the statement.

I’m not sure what Oscar/Harmon has to do with negotiations on GGG/Charlo. Did Oscar get rights to GGG out of the fight agreement with Canelo?

So GGG never said that he won't fight Jermall?

All I've ever seen Gennady say, is 'of course' he would fight Charlo. So I'm not sure where your getting that he hasn't.

I was meaning if a Canelo/Charlo fight had to be negotiated, if GGG went another direction, the negotiations could be tedious. No sure that's a problem anymore, if Canelo stays at 168.

Well, okay, so GGG allowed Sanchez to run all over town saying they would never fight Charlo, he leaves Sanchez so he is not tied to that. So let’s look at his actions and see if they contradict what Sanchez said. WBC orders him to fight Charlo, his response is to file an appeal (already done) to not have to fight Charlo. He also contacts Andrade/Saunders and Derevyanchenko/Jacobs. Great options but does it sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Understand I’m not being condescending in the least, I’m asking your opinion, does that sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Let me make this perfectly clear because I get the rap of a GGG hater because I have wanted him in tough fights. I think any of Saunders, Jacobs, Derevyanchenko or Charlo is awesome and look forward to it and will have great respect for it.

[Alpha]

I don't think it's possible for Charlo to face GGG before the end of the year. I could be wrong, but GGG just came out of a very physical fight, and I also don't think Charlo would take that fight coming off only 2 rounds in the ring over the last 18 months.

I'm only saying the end of the year because Jermall stated his next fight was in December. If that's the case, it'll more than likely be a tune up type opponent. If that happens, a possible GGG fight gets pushed to around March or April. Leaving neither with enough time for a May fight with Canelo. September would work.

Add in that Oscar was talking about the GGG trilogy being an option, I can see the WBC doing whatever Canelo and Oscar request.

I think Showtime is the obvious choice for GGG to land, but I'm no expert and have no idea what offers he has been receiving.

I not so sure how accurate the statement "The Charlo fight is set to go" is.

Has he announced an opponent? Just look at what has happened, GGG has petitioned the WBC for the option to skip Charlo, he has contacted Saunders and Andrade’s people for if the WBC refuses to allow him to skip Charlo. It seems we must accept that they meant it when they said they would never fight Charlo.

Again, wasn't it Sanchez who said they wouldn't fight Charlo?

The Saunders/Andrade and Jacobs/Derevy winners are bigger, better, more relevant fights in my opinion. What's Charlo's best win at 160? And if he can make millions against Canelo again, why would he bother with Jermall?

Also the Haymon/Oscar beef could also make negotiations frustrating.

anyone else thinking Danny Jacobs could whip Canelo?

Jacobs has the size and movement to give Canelo grief.

Yes, Sanchez sang that song all around town and nobody stopped him. If your buddy tells the girls you are talking to you don’t have a girlfriend and you don’t refute it you have backed the statement.

I’m not sure what Oscar/Harmon has to do with negotiations on GGG/Charlo. Did Oscar get rights to GGG out of the fight agreement with Canelo?

So GGG never said that he won't fight Jermall?

All I've ever seen Gennady say, is 'of course' he would fight Charlo. So I'm not sure where your getting that he hasn't.

I was meaning if a Canelo/Charlo fight had to be negotiated, if GGG went another direction, the negotiations could be tedious. No sure that's a problem anymore, if Canelo stays at 168.

Well, okay, so GGG allowed Sanchez to run all over town saying they would never fight Charlo, he leaves Sanchez so he is not tied to that. So let’s look at his actions and see if they contradict what Sanchez said. WBC orders him to fight Charlo, his response is to file an appeal (already done) to not have to fight Charlo. He also contacts Andrade/Saunders and Derevyanchenko/Jacobs. Great options but does it sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Understand I’m not being condescending in the least, I’m asking your opinion, does that sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Let me make this perfectly clear because I get the rap of a GGG hater because I have wanted him in tough fights. I think any of Saunders, Jacobs, Derevyanchenko or Charlo is awesome and look forward to it and will have great respect for it.

When GGG is asked if he would fight Charlo, he says "Of course" or "absolutely".

I don't give a f-ck what Sanchez says, he always talks dumb sh-t. But it seems you are implying that when asked if he would fight Charlo, GGG says he won't, which isn't the case. I can post these vids if you like, but they are easy enough to find.

GGG just fought one of the sports biggest stars, in a multi million dollar payday, in a fight where he (and many) feel, he was on the receiving end of a bad decision. So logically, he wants to right that wrong. It makes the most sense to him for every reason, money, fame, setting the record straight etc. A Canelo fight would be (and is) a priority for any fighter. Not just GGG, who feels he has already beaten him twice.


Like I have said previously the Jacobs/Derevy or Saunders/Andrade winners are more relevant fights, than Charlo, I feel they would be at least similar, if not bigger earners, plus the also would carry titles. A Murata fight would also be much bigger financially (especially in Japan) and also carries a title.

I know titles don't mean sh-t, but when dealing with the likes of GBP, coming in as a mandatory, I would not be surprised to see them attempt to try and use the championship split ‰ to try and limit GGGs earnings. So a title brings a bit more of a bargaining chip to the negotiating table, if and when a 3rd Canelo fight happens.

So a Charlo fight (although a fantastic match up) just didn't really make a lot of sense from GGGs side.

So you are happy to accept when Charlo says he will fight GGG, but won't give GGG the same courtesy?

Charlo tweeted on the day (May have been the day before) the WBC announce GGG/Charlo as an eliminator, that his next fight was in December. Since then nothing, no talk of being disappointed with the WBC about keeping Canelo from him, no talk of not fighting in December and instead focusing on GGG (we know there's no way a GGG fight could be made for December). Now if course there will be negotiations going on behind closed doors that we are unaware of, but that shouldn't stop Jermall from talking about what he wants, GGGs team have already outlined there preferences.

So as to my opinion, yes I believe GGG would want to fight Charlo (as he has said he would) if it was the best scenario for him. Which as I have outlined, it is not really.

Why fight Jermall (what was his best win at 160 again?) when there will be more relevant and more financially rewarding (it is prize fight after all) bouts available. To me that just seems like common sense, not that GGG doesn't want to fight Charlo.

[Ron Swanson]

Well, okay, so GGG allowed Sanchez to run all over town saying they would never fight Charlo, he leaves Sanchez so he is not tied to that. So let’s look at his actions and see if they contradict what Sanchez said. WBC orders him to fight Charlo, his response is to file an appeal (already done) to not have to fight Charlo. He also contacts Andrade/Saunders and Derevyanchenko/Jacobs. Great options but does it sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Understand I’m not being condescending in the least, I’m asking your opinion, does that sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Let me make this perfectly clear because I get the rap of a GGG hater because I have wanted him in tough fights. I think any of Saunders, Jacobs, Derevyanchenko or Charlo is awesome and look forward to it and will have great respect for it.[/QUOTE]

When GGG is asked if he would fight Charlo, he says "Of course" or "absolutely".

I don't give a f-ck what Sanchez says, he always talks dumb sh-t. But it seems you are implying that when asked if he would fight Charlo, GGG says he won't, which isn't the case. I can post these vids if you like, but they are easy enough to find.

GGG just fought one of the sports biggest stars, in a multi million dollar payday, in a fight where he (and many) feel, he was on the receiving end of a bad decision. So logically, he wants to right that wrong. It makes the most sense to him for every reason, money, fame, setting the record straight etc. A Canelo fight would be (and is) a priority for any fighter. Not just GGG, who feels he has already beaten him twice.


Like I have said previously the Jacobs/Derevy or Saunders/Andrade winners are more relevant fights, than Charlo, I feel they would be at least similar, if not bigger earners, plus the also would carry titles. A Murata fight would also be much bigger financially (especially in Japan) and also carries a title.

I know titles don't mean sh-t, but when dealing with the likes of GBP, coming in as a mandatory, I would not be surprised to see them attempt to try and use the championship split ‰ to try and limit GGGs earnings. So a title brings a bit more of a bargaining chip to the negotiating table, if and when a 3rd Canelo fight happens.

So a Charlo fight (although a fantastic match up) just didn't really make a lot of sense from GGGs side.

So you are happy to accept when Charlo says he will fight GGG, but won't give GGG the same courtesy?

Charlo tweeted on the day (May have been the day before) the WBC announce GGG/Charlo as an eliminator, that his next fight was in December. Since then nothing, no talk of being disappointed with the WBC about keeping Canelo from him, no talk of not fighting in December and instead focusing on GGG (we know there's no way a GGG fight could be made for December). Now if course there will be negotiations going on behind closed doors that we are unaware of, but that shouldn't stop Jermall from talking about what he wants, GGGs team have already outlined there preferences.

So as to my opinion, yes I believe GGG would want to fight Charlo (as he has said he would) if it was the best scenario for him. Which as I have outlined, it is not really.

Why fight Jermall (what was his best win at 160 again?) when there will be more relevant and more financially rewarding (it is prize fight after all) bouts available. To me that just seems like common sense, not that GGG doesn't want to fight Charlo.[/QUOTE]

So under a different set of circumstances you believe GGG would want to fight but under the current set of circumstances you admit he doesn’t or not? Because you sort of tip toed around that

Keep in mind the know facts that he filed a petition not to fight him and contacted at least 4 other camps about potential fights if the WBC denies his appeal. None of which guarantees him Canelo as a Charlo fight does.

One other thing, why can Canelo fight in December but GGG can’t?

[Alpha]

Well, okay, so GGG allowed Sanchez to run all over town saying they would never fight Charlo, he leaves Sanchez so he is not tied to that. So let’s look at his actions and see if they contradict what Sanchez said. WBC orders him to fight Charlo, his response is to file an appeal (already done) to not have to fight Charlo. He also contacts Andrade/Saunders and Derevyanchenko/Jacobs. Great options but does it sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Understand I’m not being condescending in the least, I’m asking your opinion, does that sound like he wants to fight Charlo?

Let me make this perfectly clear because I get the rap of a GGG hater because I have wanted him in tough fights. I think any of Saunders, Jacobs, Derevyanchenko or Charlo is awesome and look forward to it and will have great respect for it.

When GGG is asked if he would fight Charlo, he says "Of course" or "absolutely".

I don't give a f-ck what Sanchez says, he always talks dumb sh-t. But it seems you are implying that when asked if he would fight Charlo, GGG says he won't, which isn't the case. I can post these vids if you like, but they are easy enough to find.

GGG just fought one of the sports biggest stars, in a multi million dollar payday, in a fight where he (and many) feel, he was on the receiving end of a bad decision. So logically, he wants to right that wrong. It makes the most sense to him for every reason, money, fame, setting the record straight etc. A Canelo fight would be (and is) a priority for any fighter. Not just GGG, who feels he has already beaten him twice.


Like I have said previously the Jacobs/Derevy or Saunders/Andrade winners are more relevant fights, than Charlo, I feel they would be at least similar, if not bigger earners, plus the also would carry titles. A Murata fight would also be much bigger financially (especially in Japan) and also carries a title.

I know titles don't mean sh-t, but when dealing with the likes of GBP, coming in as a mandatory, I would not be surprised to see them attempt to try and use the championship split ‰ to try and limit GGGs earnings. So a title brings a bit more of a bargaining chip to the negotiating table, if and when a 3rd Canelo fight happens.

So a Charlo fight (although a fantastic match up) just didn't really make a lot of sense from GGGs side.

So you are happy to accept when Charlo says he will fight GGG, but won't give GGG the same courtesy?

Charlo tweeted on the day (May have been the day before) the WBC announce GGG/Charlo as an eliminator, that his next fight was in December. Since then nothing, no talk of being disappointed with the WBC about keeping Canelo from him, no talk of not fighting in December and instead focusing on GGG (we know there's no way a GGG fight could be made for December). Now if course there will be negotiations going on behind closed doors that we are unaware of, but that shouldn't stop Jermall from talking about what he wants, GGGs team have already outlined there preferences.

So as to my opinion, yes I believe GGG would want to fight Charlo (as he has said he would) if it was the best scenario for him. Which as I have outlined, it is not really.

Why fight Jermall (what was his best win at 160 again?) when there will be more relevant and more financially rewarding (it is prize fight after all) bouts available. To me that just seems like common sense, not that GGG doesn't want to fight Charlo.[/QUOTE]

So under a different set of circumstances you believe GGG would want to fight but under the current set of circumstances you admit he doesn’t or not? Because you sort of tip toed around that

Keep in mind the know facts that he filed a petition not to fight him and contacted at least 4 other camps about potential fights if the WBC denies his appeal. None of which guarantees him Canelo as a Charlo fight does.

One other thing, why can Canelo fight in December but GGG can’t?[/QUOTE]

I don't think I tip toed around it. This is a business at the end of the day. GGG has already said he would absolutely fight Charlo. What more do you want him to say? Again where's Charlo, you are only taking his word as well right? He hasn't signed a contract for GGG yet has he?

If Charlo was a bigger, more relevant fight, yes GGG would fight him. But as I have pointed out, it's not. Again what's Charlo's best win? The other fights I mentioned would have titles involved, or bigger money, or guys with better wins. I already went into detail of why a title can help in negotiations, I seem to be repeating myself here and going in circles. All these other fights are more relevant in 1 way or another than a Charlo fight. Fighting Charlo, especially now with Canelo at 168, still doesn't give GGG anymore of a guarantee at a Canelo shot. Canelo has demonstrated on several occasions that he won't be dictated to by the sanctioning bodies.

Who's to say if GGG fought (and destroyed Jermall) that that would force Canelo into the ring?

[Alpha]

Sorry, forgot to respond to your last part.

Do you really believe they could put a GGG/ Charlo fight together for December? I'm not saying that GGG can't fight in December, but he is 36 and probably needs a bit of extra time to recover than a younger man, who has previously tested positive for banned substances.

Would Charlo take that fight in December after only 2 rounds in 18 months?

[Ron Swanson]

Sorry, forgot to respond to your last part.

Do you really believe they could put a GGG/ Charlo fight together for December? I'm not saying that GGG can't fight in December, but he is 36 and probably needs a bit of extra time to recover than a younger man, who has previously tested positive for banned substances.

Would Charlo take that fight in December after only 2 rounds in 18 months?

The key difference is we don’t know for a fact Charlo, who has every right to, has petitioned to avoid GGG. We know GGG petitioned to avoid a Charlo fight. We have no evidence Charlo is looking anywhere else, we know GGG has contacted at least 4 other camps besides Canelo’s and we have no evidence GGG has contacted Charlo’s camp.

True we have no evidence Charlo’s camp has contacted GGGs, the difference is who has openly looked elsewhere and openly petitioned to avoid.

It may very well come out Charlo doesn’t want GGG right now. But we know GGG doesn’t want Charlo right now.

We can look at business, next occasion we can look at venues, next occasion...he was GGGs mandatory for over a year.

I don’t think it’s very fair to blame a guy being avoided for his weak opposition until he gets his chance. Once he can choose then it becomes fair to judge. I mean who’s fault is it that Charlo hasn’t faced GGG for example?

I can certainly understand GGG looking at someone else, but looking at everyone else looks bad.