Russia

[El Kabong]

Amazing. Do they not have treason laws in America anymore ? Falling over yourself to play make believe about the Russians, why? Covering for Trump? mental

OK so you're saying that it should be illegal .... punishable by death no less for me to QUESTION this?

[Beanz]

Amazing. Do they not have treason laws in America anymore ? Falling over yourself to play make believe about the Russians, why? Covering for Trump? mental

OK so you're saying that it should be illegal .... punishable by death no less for me to QUESTION this?

Not you, you can say what you like and question what you like but when Americans in positions of power make deals with people killing their allies you have to wonder what the fuck kind of morals they are operating by.

[El Kabong]

Amazing. Do they not have treason laws in America anymore ? Falling over yourself to play make believe about the Russians, why? Covering for Trump? mental

OK so you're saying that it should be illegal .... punishable by death no less for me to QUESTION this?

Not you, you can say what you like and question what you like but when Americans in positions of power make deals with people killing their allies you have to wonder what the fuck kind of morals they are operating by.

How do you know for certain that the Russians actually did this and it wasn't some other player attempting to start some shit?


Couldn't oh I don't know Ukraine benefit from the US, UK, et al having big time issues with Russia? Would China like to keep Russia as it's partner by isolating it?


And Sergei Skripal (along with his daughter Yulia) is/are still very much alive....think Russia would be so inept? I mean maybe they would be, mistakes happen especially in espionage look at the Bay of Pigs for example.

[Gandalf]

Wow! The brainwashing is quite something to behold. So Russia is to blame for everything now? Russia has never interfered with me having the views I have. What an arrogant and insane thing to say. So people mow voted Brexit because Russia was up to tricks? Shame they didn't nust listen to Obama and be pliable little sheep, eh? Sore losers.

[Gandalf]

I recently watched that 20 hour documentary about Vietnam and it seems to be an obsession with Russia. Even the anti war movement was, according to the elites, somehow orchestrated by Moscow and that paranoia has never really gone away. It's a bit sad really how people are just unable to accept that global opinion is really not orchestrated by the Russian secret services. People voted Brexit because they are against open borders and unaccountable power. It is really is that simple. But, no, it has to be a great conspiracy! Same with this poisoning. People are right to say, 'Show us the evidence' because frankly people do not trust the UK media. It has almost the lowest trust rating in the EU and people from there like Master constantly parrot these same sources of 'information'. He gets so emotional about Russia and it is frankly a bit weird.

[Beanz]

Emotional? Projection mate. Miles you have always been an easily manipulated sheep. It is why you are are so partisan on things like this. For you it's all a conspiracy because then you can pretend to be better than everyone else with your special inside Alex Jones level knowledge. Ha! It's the same with Lyle and the Q thing, in the real world you soyboy troll theories are laughable. You seem to think,
'Well now that the world turns out to be more complex than I thought it must mean the good guys are the bad guys and vica versa because that simplifies it again for me'. Pathetic. Meanwhile ordinary people can quite clearly see the wolves on all sides. Go put your head in the Jaws of Putin and your gimp suit on for Murray and all the other Eton toffs laughing at you.

[Gandalf]

Emotional? Projection mate. Miles you have always been an easily manipulated sheep. It is why you are are so partisan on things like this. For you it's all a conspiracy because then you can pretend to be better than everyone else with your special inside Alex Jones level knowledge. Ha! It's the same with Lyle and the Q thing, in the real world you soyboy troll theories are laughable. You seem to think,
'Well now that the world turns out to be more complex than I thought it must mean the good guys are the bad guys and vica versa because that simplifies it again for me'. Pathetic. Meanwhile ordinary people can quite clearly see the wolves on all sides. Go put your head in the Jaws of Putin and your gimp suit on for Murray and all the other Eton toffs laughing at you.

I am not partisan, I am simply saying that it is BS that Russia somehow controlled Brexit and I am not a sheep whence not always believing the mainstream media. I caught you out just last week doing just that with that edited Sky report on Robinson. You aren't all that up to speed. Don't forget old boy, I have a lot more time to read and research than Joe Smith at the company 45 hours a week. Then again I guess you do too 'freelancing' or is it 'freeloading' ()?

Nope, the world is a complex place indeed, but I can tell when something is fishy and it is not because I am a fishmonger. Brexit is people pissed off with immigration and a lack of democracy. Ask most people who voted for it and that is what they will say. It is not rocket science. When you forcibly change a society you will get incredible blow back.

Rather than accept responsibility everything always goes back to the Russians. It has been going on for decades now and the anti war paranoia was a case in point. It was SIMPLY that ORDINARY people thought the government was talking double speak bollocks. Same with Brexit. People just don't like what's happening and the delusional Cultural Marxists like yourself cannot take it.

Murray might be laughing at you, but not me. I am not the one that is going to see a total transformation of Europe and Britain in my lifetime. That is for you and your children. I am not laughing about that all. I actually find that a very sad thing, but as you once said to me, and I shall never forget it, "I would rather have them than you". At least I am staying true to what I think about the issue and it is hardly a minority position.

Give the book a spin. Did you get past the intro of Peterson BTW? I doubt you actually bought the book anyway.

[Master]

Amazing. Do they not have treason laws in America anymore ? Falling over yourself to play make believe about the Russians, why? Covering for Trump? mental

OK so you're saying that it should be illegal .... punishable by death no less for me to QUESTION this?

Not you, you can say what you like and question what you like but when Americans in positions of power make deals with people killing their allies you have to wonder what the fuck kind of morals they are operating by.

How do you know for certain that the Russians actually did this and it wasn't some other player attempting to start some shit?


Couldn't oh I don't know Ukraine benefit from the US, UK, et al having big time issues with Russia? Would China like to keep Russia as it's partner by isolating it?


And Sergei Skripal (along with his daughter Yulia) is/are still very much alive....think Russia would be so inept? I mean maybe they would be, mistakes happen especially in espionage look at the Bay of Pigs for example.

I think the Russian's cocked the assassination attempt up and poisoning is their main way of killing people here in the UK.

[El Kabong]

Emotional? Projection mate. Miles you have always been an easily manipulated sheep. It is why you are are so partisan on things like this. For you it's all a conspiracy because then you can pretend to be better than everyone else with your special inside Alex Jones level knowledge. Ha! It's the same with Lyle and the Q thing, in the real world you soyboy troll theories are laughable. You seem to think,
'Well now that the world turns out to be more complex than I thought it must mean the good guys are the bad guys and vica versa because that simplifies it again for me'. Pathetic. Meanwhile ordinary people can quite clearly see the wolves on all sides. Go put your head in the Jaws of Putin and your gimp suit on for Murray and all the other Eton toffs laughing at you.

Thanks for keeping it cordial...I mean I guess when I decided to be nice that was just a cue for you to start back trying to slam me.

Yes yes, I'm pathetic for not going along with your reality. Yup pure pathetic from me, not agreeing 110% with you. I'm sorry for that, maybe one day I'll learn

I think the Russian's cocked the assassination attempt up and poisoning is their main way of killing people here in the UK.

OK and hell it very well could be a botched assassination attempt.


What other poisonings have there been in England that Russia has done? What evidence is there?


Espionage and the spy game that's a tricky area...government secrets...that's a tricky area...think we average citizens know 100% of what is going on? I mean I don't think so. I know I don't know what the fuck is going on in the deepest darkest corners of government. The CIA, MI6, the GRU/KGB.

Hell the FBI (and others) are engaged in a silent (not so silent to folks who get their news from alternative sources, but silent to those who watch the mainstream media) coup of President Trump....the proofs provided are the firings of various people associated with the Clinton Email scandal and Trump-Russia collusion investigation. Also the FAILING New York Times got hold of part of Trump's taxes and guess what......0 mention of Russia, 0 Russian money coming in...that and the firings point in a certain direction and it ain't "Trump colluded with Russia".


I'm not a Putin fan, but I don't blame the guy trying to protect his country from the likes of George Soros....and yeah Soros has a history with England too, but yall never say peep about him, why? He crashed the Pound for fucks sake! https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...forever-2010-6 The killer moment? When Soros found out just how badly his short selling had affected the Bank of England:

"I've learned we've just raised interest rates by two hundred basis points," he said softly--a full two percentage points. Then he rose and shook Smick's hand and left the room running."

But yeah nah yeah it's totally Russia and you know what we should start a shooting war with them, that'll teach 'em!

[Master]

Inside Russia’s long history of poisoning political enemies

https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/inside...tical-enemies/

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-skrip.../29083216.html

[El Kabong]

Inside Russia’s long history of poisoning political enemies

https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/inside...tical-enemies/

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-skrip.../29083216.html

Victor Yushchenko wasn't poisoned in Britain and he lived....maybe it WAS the GRU/KGB but there's the same amount of evidence there as there is for the JFK assassination, we can GUESS but we don't know for absolute certain. Maybe the CIA or MI6 have a better idea but they're clued in on stuff we're not.

What is the goal? What is the end game of the poisonings? Is it to quell vocal critics of Putin? Is it to kill? (because it doesn't work so good if it's to kill) Is it to maim/injure? Is it to send a message?


Alexander Perepilichny - Apparently, instead of sorrel, his soup contained gelsemium, a rare plant found only in remote parts of China and loaded with toxins related to strychnine. He dropped dead while jogging....Is there a tie to Russia using gelsemium which is found in "remote parts of China"?

The journalist Anna Politkovskaya, a vocal critic of Vladimir Putin, became dangerously ill in 2004 after drinking tea on an Aeroflot flight. She survived the poisoning only to be shot while holding bags of groceries in her Moscow apartment building elevator in 2006.....so not in Britain and then not a poisoning which did her in...was it the Russian Mafia? Was it the GRU?


That same year, in London, Putin critic Alexander Litvinenko drank some tea brimming with polonium-210, resulting in such high radiation levels that doctors waited a week before performing an autopsy in hazmat suits.....so the Russians do all this testing and shit to get undetectable poisons into their victims and then they ALSO just outright nuke a guys insides with polonium-210


The Soviets tested the poisons on condemned prisoners, mostly political enemies....worth noting that Skripal was in fact a prisoner in Russia in 2004-2006 when he was pardoned by then President Medvedev. Also worth noting is that Skripal is buddy-buddy with Christopher 'Russian Dossier' Steele.

Worth noting that this type of shit didn't happen under Stalin or Khrushchev or Brezhnev they simply disappeared people, Stalin erased them from memory and history......Putin seems to be half assing things IF he's murdering people.

With the Skripal's I've seen 0 evidence that anyone knows just what the fuck they were poisoned with....Novichuk? Fentanyl? Carfentanyl? Polonium-210? Gelsemium? Dioxin?



I'm not saying that it's IMPOSSIBLE Russia did do this, I'm saying I'm not jumping to conclusions on this because America, England, etc have a vested interest that Russia keep looking like the baddies....and that's fine and all, but other nations and even groups within our respective nations could benefit by Russia being the targeted culprits to rule that out is naive.