The United States of America

[Gandalf]

Do the people being polled over the past 40 years not live in the UK? It's uncanny that the polling somewhat reflects how the forum tends to think. Out of all the posters here Beanz only you and Master suscribe to the open borders mentality and like Roche accuse anyone who objects using the tired and now rather cliqued 'racism' label. It shows a complete inability to acknowledge a respect for the wishes of the British people and shows in turn that you are a die hard Cultural Marxist ideologue. 'You don't live here' is not an argument against a typical 60-70% of people that have deep issues and reservations about the type of immigration NEVER seen in the history of the nation.

I believe that Lyle and Walrus see the UK as an ally and are simply shocked and dismayed at the path it has taken. It matters not a jot where they live to have that opinion. You do not live in America but do not shut up about the place and whether you like it or not you know that I am as English as English can be. If the best you have is 'You don't live here' then you need to try harder.

You are no different to Roche who was a traitor.

[Master]

Carry on making stuff up about Beanz and I if it helps you get your silly points across.

[Gandalf]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

[Master]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

"Destroy a country in less than a century" why the moral and social panic then?

[walrus]

No matter how hard I try to get close to beaner he just keeps pushing me away

[Gandalf]

David Coleman, Professor of Demography at Oxford University "has shown that those identifying as white British will cease to be a majority in the UK in the 2060's." If immigration continues as present it will be much sooner. That is a racial statement, but comes from Murray's book.

It took 50,000 Hugeunots hundreds of years to truly assimilate in the 1700's, so how are you truly going to integrate another 30 million people who will all try to exert and keep their own cultures?

Is that alarmist or just practical common sense concern? This has NEVER been done before and ALREADY it is wreaking havoc with the natives feeling threatened (proven by polls) and continued threats as seen with Sharia courts, FGM, acid attacks, ISIS fighters etc.

It isn't racism to be alarmed at these changes. It means potentially the end of traditional British culture and according to the likes of Greer there already essentially is no British culture. Or Will Self who argues British culture is just about pillage.

Do you think the ordinary person thinks that way? It gets leveled at me that I am not even British by the same kind of weird people that think like that.

[Gandalf]

I would argue the same about Japan and I bet you most Japanese would agree that they would orefer their country to remain a Japanese based Asian society. Is that an unreasonable demand? There is room for some immigration, but not for 300,000 people a year every year indefinitely. It is insanity.

[Beanz]

Feeble as always Beanz. Murray defines people like you and in turn it seems it is the likes of you who actually hate the UK. You, like Roche, funnily enough a Jewish child of migrants, who opened the borders, celebrated how finally she felt London had become a better place now that it had become a minority white city. You relish the destruction of your country and cannot handle any criticism of that not so incremental destruction.

You are a twisted and deranged man and cannot seem to see that Walrus and Lyle and Brock too find it absurd. In fact British polling from the 1960's onwards agrees also as does Brexit. You are dealing with the majority of the British public not just a handful of American posters.

Do the people being polled over the past 40 years not live in the UK? It's uncanny that the polling somewhat reflects how the forum tends to think. Out of all the posters here Beanz only you and Master suscribe to the open borders mentality and like Roche accuse anyone who objects using the tired and now rather cliqued 'racism' label. It shows a complete inability to acknowledge a respect for the wishes of the British people and shows in turn that you are a die hard Cultural Marxist ideologue. 'You don't live here' is not an argument against a typical 60-70% of people that have deep issues and reservations about the type of immigration NEVER seen in the history of the nation.

I believe that Lyle and Walrus see the UK as an ally and are simply shocked and dismayed at the path it has taken. It matters not a jot where they live to have that opinion. You do not live in America but do not shut up about the place and whether you like it or not you know that I am as English as English can be. If the best you have is 'You don't live here' then you need to try harder.

You are no different to Roche who was a traitor.

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

This is why nobody takes you seriously and you have to make do with a prick like Walrus patronising you. Rather than debate anything you resort to personal ad hominem attacks again and again and again. Calling me twisted and deranged does nothing for your argument, Using some Eton educated Toff as an excuse to "define people like you" again is not an argument. When you and Walrus say" people like you" and "his type" or "cultural Marxist" it is no different to Freedom and his blatant anti-semitic bullshit. What you mean is quite clear. You are both cowardly racist fucks without the bollocks to admit it. It matters not to you that both my parents were born in England and both my Mothers parents for generations back. You are not interested in facts only rhetoric and identity politics. You are the most pernicious of ideologues.

You are using one child of Jewish Immigrants in the Mail's Tom Bowyer to attack another Child of Jewish immigrants in Roche. Neither of them have anything to do with me. I certainly never voted for Blair and have never once suggested that the UK should have open borders. You have to pretend that in order to give your sick bigoted propaganda any kind of credence. You have no argument to present. You are the one asking for DNA tests in the mistaken belief that someone's genetic ancestry can be more British than another. That is primary school thinking. You are also suggesting that you speak for the whole forum because everyone else is sick of challenging your retarded views on virtually everything. You are gullible and childish and as such are in no position to suggest you know what other Brits think.

Master voted for Brexit but because he is not white that is enough for you to dismiss him from being British, or even counting, that is how fucking backwards you are.

The fact that you do not live her is incredibly relevant. You are not at the meeting, you are not part of the conversation, you have no plans on helping with it's conservation, you have no dog in the fight , you have done nothing to help this country, you are not on the ship, you not contributing anything. You are irrelevant to the future of Britain. And thank fuck for that. Who wants miserable fantasists that act like teenagers and want a Blue Peter badge for reading a book ffs?

[Gandalf]

Don't be such a hypocrite. You use ad hominem all the time. Several times in the last 24 hours alone. Prick.

[walrus]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

[Beanz]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

[walrus]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

[Beanz]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

'Write'

It's not snide. I would call you a cunt to your face if I thought you were acting like one. I don't think you get what it means to be British. Miles is certainly not e very accurate reflection of most Brits. My issues are I am fed up of foreigners telling us Brits what to do. And that includes Miles. He is the one who has alienated everyone here with his suggestion that all the British Saddo parents are brain dead and stupid. He does it daily like yourself.

[Gandalf]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

Ah here it is, thanks Fenster.

1. Firstly Beanz I do have time for limited and controlled immigration. I have always stated that, so that assertion is an obvious lie. You do tend to tell quite a lot of lies and that is par for the course with you.

2. Secondly the notion that I could not 'make it in the UK' is a strange notion. I am not the one unable to afford bus tickets or selling my things. That was you in your mid 40's. I left the UK at 22 and settled down and educated myself in my field overseas. I can walk into a job tomorrow there and easily earn 16-20 pounds an hour, but why would I when I can earn 60 pounds an hour and get time off to do other things like staying healthy and studying language which is important. After all didn't you once call me a 'really shit immigrant'? That's charming, then you wonder why I say things back? I do not live in the UK because my family, work and life are here. I have been here a very long time. I left as a kid.

3. I only work mornings? Well, at least I work! I have no need to work all the hours God sends. As I have said elsewhere in my freelancing days I would do 40-48 hours a week class time and earned a small fortune doing so. I stopped as yes, it is a bit hard. In saying that though, I know I am well paid, so I plan intensively and ensure I provide the highest quality work I can. You can check out my references and evaluations, I have them all printed off. Nobody would ever question my work ethic.

4. Smart people upgrade their skills and manage to find schedules where the hours are less and the work more productive.

5. The reason I mock you over the benefits thing is simple. It is because you tell lies about me and twist things. In turn I do a little rib bending too. You honestly do not see it? I really couldn't care less if you claim benefits and to be honest wish you well in your work.

6. I am not moaning about myself. I am making arguments about societal changes on a forum. It is a free discussion. You represent yourself as do I and nothing more. Remember it is only a forum. Do I vent? Of course I do and so people should! Life is difficult sometimes and we all go through ecstatic highs and hell deep lows. This is our forum. We discuss and talk.

Look, if you want it to be more civil I am more than happy to do that and get on. Shall we give it a go?