Saunders v Andrade - Boston 20/10/18 - Sky/DAZN - CANCELLED

[Ron Swanson]

I keep writing replies that turn into books so I erase them “nobody wants to read a book”

I’ll keep it simple. I want to see the same thing from GGG I’ve always wanted to see, him fight guys I believe are his most talented potential opponents. I didn’t believe Murata was that and I still don’t

People probably think I want to see GGG lose, that is not the case. I want to see greatness in sports.

Murata is no longer an option, I’m glad. I hope he fights someone that proves something about the division. I expect him to sit out waiting on Canelo, I really hope I’m wrong

[TitoFan]

You have strongly voiced opinions, Ron.... which is good. We also don't always agree, which is good also. If I were to read a tone into what you just wrote, I'd interpret that you're saying GGG doesn't exactly want to fight the best because he was aiming for Murata. Fair enough... that might be your opinion. I, however, have always felt GGG will fight anybody. He and the "other dude at middleweight" are at opposite sides of the ducking and avoiding spectrum. You can't blame GGG for aiming for Murata. He was to fight Murata in Japan. That alone puts him head and shoulders above that "other dude at middleweight" who can't be budged from Las Vegas (well.... maybe to Texas). That says a LOT. When you don't have corrupt judges holding a net below you.... when you brave hostile crowds and maybe some home cooking judging.... you're doing what you can. If we fans don't agree with Opponent X or Opponent Y.... it's probably a bit unfair to dump that on GGG's lap. I can understand when you say you don't want GGG to lose... only to fight the best. Believe me.... the day GGG actually ducks somebody (or asks for a fight to be marinated).... I'll be first in line calling him a ducker. Meanwhile, we gotta be patient and let the big fights materialize. My opinion, of course.

Before you get all hot about the ducking thing, reread what you said about expecting him to sit out waiting on the "other dude at middleweight". That infers he'll pass on other opportunities for whatever reason. IMO Golovkin has never given his fans any reason he'll avoid any fight.

[Ron Swanson]

You have strongly voiced opinions, Ron.... which is good. We also don't always agree, which is good also. If I were to read a tone into what you just wrote, I'd interpret that you're saying GGG doesn't exactly want to fight the best because he was aiming for Murata. Fair enough... that might be your opinion. I, however, have always felt GGG will fight anybody. He and the "other dude at middleweight" are at opposite sides of the ducking and avoiding spectrum. You can't blame GGG for aiming for Murata. He was to fight Murata in Japan. That alone puts him head and shoulders above that "other dude at middleweight" who can't be budged from Las Vegas (well.... maybe to Texas). That says a LOT. When you don't have corrupt judges holding a net below you.... when you brave hostile crowds and maybe some home cooking judging.... you're doing what you can. If we fans don't agree with Opponent X or Opponent Y.... it's probably a bit unfair to dump that on GGG's lap. I can understand when you say you don't want GGG to lose... only to fight the best. Believe me.... the day GGG actually ducks somebody (or asks for a fight to be marinated).... I'll be first in line calling him a ducker. Meanwhile, we gotta be patient and let the big fights materialize. My opinion, of course.

Before you get all hot about the ducking thing, reread what you said about expecting him to sit out waiting on the "other dude at middleweight". That infers he'll pass on other opportunities for whatever reason. IMO Golovkin has never given his fans any reason he'll avoid any fight.

Perhaps you don’t recall before Canelo 1 I believe it was you and I discussing the Canelo fight. I didn’t want it because I want him to fight the best. But we agreed that everyone would go after that Canelo money. The discussion was concluded with after Canelo he will fight the top guys. I doubted that because of what had proceeded.

Since Canelo has been Martirosyan, why? Cost him a belt because he quite literally didn’t take the comers. Canelo again, can’t refuse that money, understandable. Charlo was his mandatory for over a year, when ordered to fight him he filed a petition to avoid, literally again not taking the comers. Looking at Murata, is he the comer? Nobody had Murata as one of the best in the division until GGG wanted him then you have guys like Fenster adjust his rating to top 5. Clearly incorrectly. The dude is 36, when does he take the comers?

The guy seems like a willing guy but his entire career suggests otherwise.

Let’s not forget that he was willing to go to 168 for Steiglitz. But when Ward challenged he was too busy cleaning out 160. But willing to go to 168 for Froch, cleaning out 160. Willing to go to 168 for Chavez, cleaning out 160.

Is 160 cleaned out at all? Most would say the top guys at 160 are

GGG, Canelo, Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Derevyanchenko.

Most would say he didn’t clean out Jacobs, in fact most would say Jacobs deserved a rematch. It will be 2 years since, no rematch. Charlo was his mandatory over a year, no match. Derevyanchenko he lost his belt choosing Martirosyan. Fair play on Canelo but I think we would both agree Jacobs and Charlo are more dangerous to GGG because of size, speed. The literal comers Jacobs, Charlo, Deveryanchenko didn’t get taken.

Understand my point is not that GGG can’t fight or won’t fight. It’s that he has no obligations now so he can take the comers. Fingers crossed he does. I’ve just seen every choice be changed and built so I expect some name to come out of left field and it be built or him to wait on Canelo. Really hope I’m wrong

(As far as the other guy, I don’t really care about Canelo. I think he is a fraud. I’m harder on GGG because I don’t think he is a fraud. If I respect someone I want to see the substance match the accolades)

[TitoFan]

You have strongly voiced opinions, Ron.... which is good. We also don't always agree, which is good also. If I were to read a tone into what you just wrote, I'd interpret that you're saying GGG doesn't exactly want to fight the best because he was aiming for Murata. Fair enough... that might be your opinion. I, however, have always felt GGG will fight anybody. He and the "other dude at middleweight" are at opposite sides of the ducking and avoiding spectrum. You can't blame GGG for aiming for Murata. He was to fight Murata in Japan. That alone puts him head and shoulders above that "other dude at middleweight" who can't be budged from Las Vegas (well.... maybe to Texas). That says a LOT. When you don't have corrupt judges holding a net below you.... when you brave hostile crowds and maybe some home cooking judging.... you're doing what you can. If we fans don't agree with Opponent X or Opponent Y.... it's probably a bit unfair to dump that on GGG's lap. I can understand when you say you don't want GGG to lose... only to fight the best. Believe me.... the day GGG actually ducks somebody (or asks for a fight to be marinated).... I'll be first in line calling him a ducker. Meanwhile, we gotta be patient and let the big fights materialize. My opinion, of course.

Before you get all hot about the ducking thing, reread what you said about expecting him to sit out waiting on the "other dude at middleweight". That infers he'll pass on other opportunities for whatever reason. IMO Golovkin has never given his fans any reason he'll avoid any fight.

Perhaps you don’t recall before Canelo 1 I believe it was you and I discussing the Canelo fight. I didn’t want it because I want him to fight the best. But we agreed that everyone would go after that Canelo money. The discussion was concluded with after Canelo he will fight the top guys. I doubted that because of what had proceeded.

Since Canelo has been Martirosyan, why? Cost him a belt because he quite literally didn’t take the comers. Canelo again, can’t refuse that money, understandable. Charlo was his mandatory for over a year, when ordered to fight him he filed a petition to avoid, literally again not taking the comers. Looking at Murata, is he the comer? Nobody had Murata as one of the best in the division until GGG wanted him then you have guys like Fenster adjust his rating to top 5. Clearly incorrectly. The dude is 36, when does he take the comers?

The guy seems like a willing guy but his entire career suggests otherwise.

Let’s not forget that he was willing to go to 168 for Steiglitz. But when Ward challenged he was too busy cleaning out 160. But willing to go to 168 for Froch, cleaning out 160. Willing to go to 168 for Chavez, cleaning out 160.

Is 160 cleaned out at all? Most would say the top guys at 160 are

GGG, Canelo, Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Derevyanchenko.

Most would say he didn’t clean out Jacobs, in fact most would say Jacobs deserved a rematch. It will be 2 years since, no rematch. Charlo was his mandatory over a year, no match. Derevyanchenko he lost his belt choosing Martirosyan. Fair play on Canelo but I think we would both agree Jacobs and Charlo are more dangerous to GGG because of size, speed. The literal comers Jacobs, Charlo, Deveryanchenko didn’t get taken.

Understand my point is not that GGG can’t fight or won’t fight. It’s that he has no obligations now so he can take the comers. Fingers crossed he does. I’ve just seen every choice be changed and built so I expect some name to come out of left field and it be built or him to wait on Canelo. Really hope I’m wrong

(As far as the other guy, I don’t really care about Canelo. I think he is a fraud. I’m harder on GGG because I don’t think he is a fraud. If I respect someone I want to see the substance match the accolades)

Ron, you make it sound like GGG was picking "this" and not "that" when talking about 168. You also sound frustrated, and I've heard others be, about his not ever fighting Ward, who would've had to come down from 175. What on Earth would have that accomplished, other than get GGG a predictable one-sided beating from someone much bigger than him and a much better boxer to boot. Going back to some of GGG's comments, all I've seen is him saying at some point that he would go up to 168 if there were good fights to be made. I'm not going to burn him at the stake for that comment. He didn't call out names, saying "uhhh, ok this guy but not that guy". He expressed an interest to fight. Again... I've never seen Golovkin actually duck anyone. I see Abel Sanchez having been quoted saying stuff about Charlo. That, admittedly, is puzzling. I hate it when trainers in general open their big mouths and talk so much bullshit. But again I'm hesitant to dump this all on Golovkin's lap. Maybe I'm softer on him than you are because I compare him against the scourge of boxing. Sort of like Mother Theresa vs. Genghis Khan.

But faith. Golovkin's not done yet. And with any luck, Canelo's Mafia...... er..... I mean...... Mauricio Sulaiman and the WBC will coerce GGG to fight all the nasty opposition that Canelito himself will NEVER FIGHT and always manage to avoid.

[Alpha]

I keep writing replies that turn into books so I erase them “nobody wants to read a book”

I’ll keep it simple. I want to see the same thing from GGG I’ve always wanted to see, him fight guys I believe are his most talented potential opponents. I didn’t believe Murata was that and I still don’t

People probably think I want to see GGG lose, that is not the case. I want to see greatness in sports.

Murata is no longer an option, I’m glad. I hope he fights someone that proves something about the division. I expect him to sit out waiting on Canelo, I really hope I’m wrong

Novel's have their time and place and if your passionate about what your saying people will take the time to read.

No one, and I repeat NO ONE here said Murata was the best. It was a fight, that upon a Canelo fight not emerging, then presented the best opportunities for GGG at this stage of his career. The big money in Japan, the viewing audience there, the 'belt' for negotiations etc. No one believed Murata was the most talented or had the most potential. Both Fenster and myself stated that we feel Charlo beats Murata.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want GGG to get Canelo again next. It's prize fighting, that's the biggest possible purse. From a fans point of view, yes we want the best fighting the best, but these guys have families and only a limited window to make their name and fortune in the game. Everyone wants to make the most money they possibly can right?

You can't blame GGG for looking for the biggest earning fights at this stage of his career on one hand but on the other keep silent on Charlo looking to fight Monroe Jr or Sulecki. I haven't even heard him complaining that the WBC screwed him and are keeping Canelo from his reach. GGG is not the champion now. GGG has no obligation to Charlo at this stage, he no longer holds the belts. I can't work out Charlo's silence, shouldn't he be everywhere calling out the champ? Maybe uncle Al has told him to keep quiet.

[Ron Swanson]

I keep writing replies that turn into books so I erase them “nobody wants to read a book”

I’ll keep it simple. I want to see the same thing from GGG I’ve always wanted to see, him fight guys I believe are his most talented potential opponents. I didn’t believe Murata was that and I still don’t

People probably think I want to see GGG lose, that is not the case. I want to see greatness in sports.

Murata is no longer an option, I’m glad. I hope he fights someone that proves something about the division. I expect him to sit out waiting on Canelo, I really hope I’m wrong

Novel's have their time and place and if your passionate about what your saying people will take the time to read.

No one, and I repeat NO ONE here said Murata was the best. It was a fight, that upon a Canelo fight not emerging, then presented the best opportunities for GGG at this stage of his career. The big money in Japan, the viewing audience there, the 'belt' for negotiations etc. No one believed Murata was the most talented or had the most potential. Both Fenster and myself stated that we feel Charlo beats Murata.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want GGG to get Canelo again next. It's prize fighting, that's the biggest possible purse. From a fans point of view, yes we want the best fighting the best, but these guys have families and only a limited window to make their name and fortune in the game. Everyone wants to make the most money they possibly can right?

You can't blame GGG for looking for the biggest earning fights at this stage of his career on one hand but on the other keep silent on Charlo looking to fight Monroe Jr or Sulecki. I haven't even heard him complaining that the WBC screwed him and are keeping Canelo from his reach. GGG is not the champion now. GGG has no obligation to Charlo at this stage, he no longer holds the belts. I can't work out Charlo's silence, shouldn't he be everywhere calling out the champ? Maybe uncle Al has told him to keep quiet.

Before Canelo it was allow this it’s the payday then he can fight the top guys. 2 years have passed. When do we get the top guys? This is my point. 2 years ago we decided Jacobs deserved a rematch. Why Martirosyan, why Murata, money? I thought the Canelo fights were for the money and the other fights would be the top guys. I can’t for the life of me figure out when we are going to get the top guys.

It blows my mind you all watch this great fighter not realizing his potential and you’re okay with it.