Saunders v Andrade - Boston 20/10/18 - Sky/DAZN - CANCELLED

[Ron Swanson]

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

Shame you didn't tell us the underdog (Brant) would pull an obvious upset, we would have all been minted. The bookies thought the fight was much more competitive than "boxrec experts."

Juergen Braehmer schooled Brant, he would be a talented guy for Golovkin. Agree?

Yea those cards were way to wide. Brant won but it was closer. I had it 116-112.

Murata was so 'basic' he was a 6-1 favorite. Brant is a good fighter and set a tremendous pace. Murata fought 1 dimensionally, just trying to land his big right hand. Upsets happen, no one here saw this coming, or if they did, never posted about it.

He fought one dimensional but he wasn’t basic? Is that the argument?

Because I was quite clear before the fight just how basic he is. One dimensional sounds like basic to me.

Styles make fights, didn't hear you say anything about Brant winning. I haven't seen Murata fight that badly before. He was just loading that right.

I’ve never seen Brant fight, I wouldn’t make a prediction on him. I don’t make many predictions on fights at all actually. I more point to abilities and weaknesses. Like GGG having fantastic punch selection but the drawback of tipping his punches. If his left elbow is tight he’s looking down the middle 1-2, if it flairs a few inches he’s going to come around with the hook. These types of things can be used for others more arrogant to predict fights. I just speak on talent and on my obnoxious desire to see great fighters take good fights against talented fighters. And then I read the insults of me for daring to ask fighters to fight hahaha

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

This is the problem, Ron. It sticks out like a sore thumb when fans speak about fighters they know nothing about.

It was Murata I called basic, you called top 5. Who knows nothing about Murata? Get something right before you come at me. Just one thing right. I’ll enjoy the silence.

[Alpha]

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

Shame you didn't tell us the underdog (Brant) would pull an obvious upset, we would have all been minted. The bookies thought the fight was much more competitive than "boxrec experts."

Juergen Braehmer schooled Brant, he would be a talented guy for Golovkin. Agree?

Yea those cards were way to wide. Brant won but it was closer. I had it 116-112.

Murata was so 'basic' he was a 6-1 favorite. Brant is a good fighter and set a tremendous pace. Murata fought 1 dimensionally, just trying to land his big right hand. Upsets happen, no one here saw this coming, or if they did, never posted about it.

He fought one dimensional but he wasn’t basic? Is that the argument?

Because I was quite clear before the fight just how basic he is. One dimensional sounds like basic to me.

Styles make fights, didn't hear you say anything about Brant winning. I haven't seen Murata fight that badly before. He was just loading that right.

I’ve never seen Brant fight, I wouldn’t make a prediction on him. I don’t make many predictions on fights at all actually. I more point to abilities and weaknesses. Like GGG having fantastic punch selection but the drawback of tipping his punches. If his left elbow is tight he’s looking down the middle 1-2, if it flairs a few inches he’s going to come around with the hook. These types of things can be used for others more arrogant to predict fights. I just speak on talent and on my obnoxious desire to see great fighters take good fights against talented fighters. And then I read the insults of me for daring to ask fighters to fight hahaha

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

This is the problem, Ron. It sticks out like a sore thumb when fans speak about fighters they no nothing about.

It was Murata I called basic, you called top 5. Who knows nothing about Murata? Get something right before you come at me. Just one thing right. I’ll enjoy the silence.

Yea but if you don't make any predictions before hand then it's irrelevant. Are you trying to say that you thought Brant would win? Upsets can happen. Are you trying to say you always pick the correct winner? We all get fights wrong. Have you even watch this fight yet? 160 isn't that deep, it would be perfectly acceptable to still have Murata ranked between 10 and 15 in the division.

[Ron Swanson]

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

Shame you didn't tell us the underdog (Brant) would pull an obvious upset, we would have all been minted. The bookies thought the fight was much more competitive than "boxrec experts."

Juergen Braehmer schooled Brant, he would be a talented guy for Golovkin. Agree?

Yea those cards were way to wide. Brant won but it was closer. I had it 116-112.

Murata was so 'basic' he was a 6-1 favorite. Brant is a good fighter and set a tremendous pace. Murata fought 1 dimensionally, just trying to land his big right hand. Upsets happen, no one here saw this coming, or if they did, never posted about it.

He fought one dimensional but he wasn’t basic? Is that the argument?

Because I was quite clear before the fight just how basic he is. One dimensional sounds like basic to me.

Styles make fights, didn't hear you say anything about Brant winning. I haven't seen Murata fight that badly before. He was just loading that right.

I’ve never seen Brant fight, I wouldn’t make a prediction on him. I don’t make many predictions on fights at all actually. I more point to abilities and weaknesses. Like GGG having fantastic punch selection but the drawback of tipping his punches. If his left elbow is tight he’s looking down the middle 1-2, if it flairs a few inches he’s going to come around with the hook. These types of things can be used for others more arrogant to predict fights. I just speak on talent and on my obnoxious desire to see great fighters take good fights against talented fighters. And then I read the insults of me for daring to ask fighters to fight hahaha

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

This is the problem, Ron. It sticks out like a sore thumb when fans speak about fighters they no nothing about.

It was Murata I called basic, you called top 5. Who knows nothing about Murata? Get something right before you come at me. Just one thing right. I’ll enjoy the silence.

Yea but if you don't make any predictions before hand then it's irrelevant. Are you trying to say that you thought Brant would win? Upsets can happen. Are you trying to say you always pick the correct winner? We all get fights wrong. Have you even watch this fight yet? 160 isn't that deep, it would be perfectly acceptable to still have Murata ranked between 10 and 15 in the division.

You’re pulling a lot of stuff out of the air there fella haha

I’m saying I watched Murata, he was very sound, looked to have a strong right but no flash and I decided he was basic.

For me to believe a fighter is elite I need to see something that jumps out at me “F that was good”.

Also, I didn’t say I don’t make any predictions. I said hardly any. (Or I misspoke)If I have lots of information on both fighters i’ll generally make a prediction if I’m very confident. Not on mismatches because who cares. But big fights, sure. If I’m not confident I don’t see the value in a prediction. “I don’t know but i’ll Guess and my guess has value” illogical to me. I get why others do it, just doesn’t suit me.

As for the fight, I watched some. No reason really to watch him for me now. I’ll watch 3/4 fights a day if a guy has a big fight coming but if there’s nothing coming and I don’t find the guy entertaining, no reason.

Edit-that was hard to post. Can’t stand talking about myself. Seems like I’m doing that too much so I will probably be posting less. Been a fun bit arguing with you all though

[Alpha]

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

Shame you didn't tell us the underdog (Brant) would pull an obvious upset, we would have all been minted. The bookies thought the fight was much more competitive than "boxrec experts."

Juergen Braehmer schooled Brant, he would be a talented guy for Golovkin. Agree?

Yea those cards were way to wide. Brant won but it was closer. I had it 116-112.

Murata was so 'basic' he was a 6-1 favorite. Brant is a good fighter and set a tremendous pace. Murata fought 1 dimensionally, just trying to land his big right hand. Upsets happen, no one here saw this coming, or if they did, never posted about it.

He fought one dimensional but he wasn’t basic? Is that the argument?

Because I was quite clear before the fight just how basic he is. One dimensional sounds like basic to me.

Styles make fights, didn't hear you say anything about Brant winning. I haven't seen Murata fight that badly before. He was just loading that right.

I’ve never seen Brant fight, I wouldn’t make a prediction on him. I don’t make many predictions on fights at all actually. I more point to abilities and weaknesses. Like GGG having fantastic punch selection but the drawback of tipping his punches. If his left elbow is tight he’s looking down the middle 1-2, if it flairs a few inches he’s going to come around with the hook. These types of things can be used for others more arrogant to predict fights. I just speak on talent and on my obnoxious desire to see great fighters take good fights against talented fighters. And then I read the insults of me for daring to ask fighters to fight hahaha

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

This is the problem, Ron. It sticks out like a sore thumb when fans speak about fighters they no nothing about.

It was Murata I called basic, you called top 5. Who knows nothing about Murata? Get something right before you come at me. Just one thing right. I’ll enjoy the silence.

Yea but if you don't make any predictions before hand then it's irrelevant. Are you trying to say that you thought Brant would win? Upsets can happen. Are you trying to say you always pick the correct winner? We all get fights wrong. Have you even watch this fight yet? 160 isn't that deep, it would be perfectly acceptable to still have Murata ranked between 10 and 15 in the division.

You’re pulling a lot of stuff out of the air there fella haha

I’m saying I watched Murata, he was very sound, looked to have a strong right but no flash and I decided he was basic.

For me to believe a fighter is elite I need to see something that jumps out at me “F that was good”.

Also, I didn’t say I don’t make any predictions. I said hardly any. (Or I misspoke)If I have lots of information on both fighters i’ll generally make a prediction if I’m very confident. Not on mismatches because who cares. But big fights, sure. If I’m not confident I don’t see the value in a prediction. “I don’t know but i’ll Guess and my guess has value” illogical to me. I get why others do it, just doesn’t suit me.

As for the fight, I watched some. No reason really to watch him for me now. I’ll watch 3/4 fights a day if a guy has a big fight coming but if there’s nothing coming and I don’t find the guy entertaining, no reason.

Edit-that was hard to post. Can’t stand talking about myself. Seems like I’m doing that too much so I will probably be posting less. Been a fun bit arguing with you all though

I'm not trying to pull out anything, just trying to put what you're saying into perspective. Upsets happen. Brant threw over 1200 punches, a completely different fight from the one he fought against Braehmer. If you were saying before the fight "Murata is basic, he'll lose to Brant", we'd pay attention. But the truth is more than likely you would have been in agreement with us. As you say, why predict on a mis-match?

I like the eye test too, but they need to do something in the ring and division they are in, to enforce what we are seeing. There have been many fighters I thought looked fantastic, until running into a better fighter. Murata's win over N'Jikam was better than Charlo's Heiland and Cermeno for many. We all agree Charlo is the better fighter but his record at 160 is lacking.

For example, I think Usyk is a better fighter than most of the guys at heavyweight, but I don't rate him #1 there because his work at the weight doesn't warrant it.

[Fenster]

Crawford is ranked higher P4P than Errol Spence - by everyone in the world - yet Spence is the no.1 rated welterweight. Why? Because Spence has by far the superior form/record/wins at 147. @Ron Swanson

Inoue is a three weight "world" champion P4P-er but was ranked 2nd in the WBSS behind Ryan Burnett. Why? Because Burnett was a unified champion at bantam before Inoue even fought in the division.

I regarded Canelo behind Jacobs and Saunders at middleweight, even though he was lineal after beating a "shot" Cotto, until he proved himself against Golovkin.

These aren't contradictions or inconsistencies @sir Ronald Swanson. It's the fairest most consistent way to judge each division, by simply awarding the men who beat the best fighters.

I hope Charlo gets himself a big fight and proves your eye balls are sharper than a prime Ronnie O'Sullivan at the Crucible, however, everyone has to play by the same rules.

[Alpha]

Crawford is ranked higher P4P than Errol Spence - by everyone in the world - yet Spence is the no.1 rated welterweight. Why? Because Spence has by far the superior form/record/wins at 147. @Ron Swanson

Inoue is a three weight "world" champion P4P-er but was ranked 2nd in the WBSS behind Ryan Burnett. Why? Because Burnett was a unified champion at bantam before Inoue even fought in the division.

I regarded Canelo behind Jacobs and Saunders at middleweight, even though he was lineal after beating a "shot" Cotto, until he proved himself against Golovkin.

These aren't contradictions or inconsistencies @sir Ronald Swanson. It's the fairest most consistent way to judge each division, by simply awarding the men who beat the best fighters.

I hope Charlo gets himself a big fight and proves your eye balls are sharper than a prime Ronnie O'Sullivan at the Crucible, however, everyone has to play by the same rules.

Fenster dropping red pills left and right

[Fenster]

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

Shame you didn't tell us the underdog (Brant) would pull an obvious upset, we would have all been minted. The bookies thought the fight was much more competitive than "boxrec experts."

Juergen Braehmer schooled Brant, he would be a talented guy for Golovkin. Agree?

Yea those cards were way to wide. Brant won but it was closer. I had it 116-112.

Murata was so 'basic' he was a 6-1 favorite. Brant is a good fighter and set a tremendous pace. Murata fought 1 dimensionally, just trying to land his big right hand. Upsets happen, no one here saw this coming, or if they did, never posted about it.

He fought one dimensional but he wasn’t basic? Is that the argument?

Because I was quite clear before the fight just how basic he is. One dimensional sounds like basic to me.

Styles make fights, didn't hear you say anything about Brant winning. I haven't seen Murata fight that badly before. He was just loading that right.

I’ve never seen Brant fight, I wouldn’t make a prediction on him. I don’t make many predictions on fights at all actually. I more point to abilities and weaknesses. Like GGG having fantastic punch selection but the drawback of tipping his punches. If his left elbow is tight he’s looking down the middle 1-2, if it flairs a few inches he’s going to come around with the hook. These types of things can be used for others more arrogant to predict fights. I just speak on talent and on my obnoxious desire to see great fighters take good fights against talented fighters. And then I read the insults of me for daring to ask fighters to fight hahaha

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

This is the problem, Ron. It sticks out like a sore thumb when fans speak about fighters they know nothing about.

It was Murata I called basic, you called top 5. Who knows nothing about Murata? Get something right before you come at me. Just one thing right. I’ll enjoy the silence.

Come at you? You're running around gloating about being proven right about something you didn't even predict whilst accusing anyone who said Murata made viable sense for Golovkin of being a fool (you quoted me).

Rankings change every single week, they are constantly evolving, that's the whole point. You don't get to pick and choose your favourite fighters.

Charlo hasn't done shit at 160. Fact. He doesn't "deserve" special treatment just because he's Ron's favourite guy.

[Ron Swanson]

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

Shame you didn't tell us the underdog (Brant) would pull an obvious upset, we would have all been minted. The bookies thought the fight was much more competitive than "boxrec experts."

Juergen Braehmer schooled Brant, he would be a talented guy for Golovkin. Agree?

Yea those cards were way to wide. Brant won but it was closer. I had it 116-112.

Murata was so 'basic' he was a 6-1 favorite. Brant is a good fighter and set a tremendous pace. Murata fought 1 dimensionally, just trying to land his big right hand. Upsets happen, no one here saw this coming, or if they did, never posted about it.

He fought one dimensional but he wasn’t basic? Is that the argument?

Because I was quite clear before the fight just how basic he is. One dimensional sounds like basic to me.

Styles make fights, didn't hear you say anything about Brant winning. I haven't seen Murata fight that badly before. He was just loading that right.

I’ve never seen Brant fight, I wouldn’t make a prediction on him. I don’t make many predictions on fights at all actually. I more point to abilities and weaknesses. Like GGG having fantastic punch selection but the drawback of tipping his punches. If his left elbow is tight he’s looking down the middle 1-2, if it flairs a few inches he’s going to come around with the hook. These types of things can be used for others more arrogant to predict fights. I just speak on talent and on my obnoxious desire to see great fighters take good fights against talented fighters. And then I read the insults of me for daring to ask fighters to fight hahaha

I told you all Murata was basic and it was a BS fight for GGG to look at. He needs to fight someone talented

This is the problem, Ron. It sticks out like a sore thumb when fans speak about fighters they know nothing about.

It was Murata I called basic, you called top 5. Who knows nothing about Murata? Get something right before you come at me. Just one thing right. I’ll enjoy the silence.

Come at you? You're running around gloating about being proven right about something you didn't even predict whilst accusing anyone who said Murata made viable sense for Golovkin of being a fool (you quoted me).

Rankings change every single week, they are constantly evolving, that's the whole point. You don't get to pick and choose your favourite fighters.

Charlo hasn't done shit at 160. Fact. He doesn't "deserve" special treatment just because he's Ron's favourite guy.

You can’t get a single thing right. So you paint a picture over the truth to fit your narratives. You said Murata was top 5, own it. I said he was basic. You say Charlo is my guy, again completely wrong. As others will probably remember and you can go back to the rankings thread to see it yourself. I don’t know if Charlo is number 1 or number 7. I want the Charlo fight not because I am a fan as your attempt to build a narrative would suggest. But because I want to know how good Charlo is. He is clearly more talented than Murata so it interests me more. But he might get hit in the mouth and become a mouse. That’s why I want the fight. To see who is the best of the most talented fighters. Stop trying to tear me down with incorrect assertions and argue a point. It’s a very troll technique. You said yourself you think Charlo would beat Murata, then how did you rate Murata top 5? It’s you that is inconsistent. Check my history, I only ask for top guys to fight top guys, completely consistent. Whether I like them or not. All I want is answers about who is the best and to see it unfold. You are the one that lets use rankings here, they don’t count here, here, not here. I am all eye test and fights. And if you check my record my eye for talent is pretty f’n good. I admit when I’m wrong about guys. And I give credit for performance whether I like the guy or not.

[palmerq]

Ron Swanson is like a demented terrier. .. excellent work....


I was quite drunk last night, building a weird tortoise shed with an asian roof, started drinking way too early, Andrade seemed pretty good but the other guy just didn't look good at all.. I could be well wrong though...not sure if hed beat Saunders, he seems to crouch a bit and give up his height advantage. .. I realty hope he does beat Saunders though... can't stand that guy...

[p4pking]

Ron Swanson is like a demented terrier. .. excellent work....


I was quite drunk last night, building a weird tortoise shed with an asian roof, started drinking way too early, Andrade seemed pretty good but the other guy just didn't look good at all.. I could be well wrong though...not sure if hed beat Saunders, he seems to crouch a bit and give up his height advantage. .. I realty hope he does beat Saunders though... can't stand that guy...

No shame in that, when I start drinking too early I haul my weird tortoise out of his shed and scream at him to build a dog house with a Roof made of Swansons hungry man dinners. It’s a good thing he can’t build a real terrier, as that dog would be soaking wet all day, which could only add to his dementia.