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    Default Re: They're talking GGG-Brant now

    This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

    That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

    When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.

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    This has turned into a pretty good argument.

    Ron, I'd put out there the thought that sometimes it sounds like GGG only has one or two fights left in his future. That's the only way I can comprehend your insistence that GGG fight Charlo NOW. I could understand if GGG were feasting on the old, undersized, weaker members of the herd..... but that's just not the case. Let's not forget that GGG did face Jacobs only a few fights ago, early last year. This all tends to get swept under the rug. Some people, apparently including yourself, get put off by the Canelo dilogy with potential of becoming a trilogy. They were both great fights, particularly the 2nd one, if you excuse the blatant robberies. GGG got a lot more notoriety and recognition (and money) than he would've ever gotten without Canelo in his life. More casuals know GGG now than they ever did before. But back on point. GGG isn't talking about retirement yet. Let him do Brant, then let's see where he goes from there. I'll guarantee you this.... he won't be dredging the bottom of the barrel looking for a "legacy defining" fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

    That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

    When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.
    Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

    That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

    When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.
    Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.
    I think the difference is that GGG can basically have his pick because everybody is lining up to fight him. No one is lining up to fight Charlo because he is a high risk low reward fight. I think once Charlo breaks through, he will take big fights.

    I just think that GGG is looking at the money at this point in his career (understandably) and that’s why he can take an easy fight (Brant) and stall until a third Canelo fight. I get his reasoning, but as a fan of the sport, I want to see GGG other fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

    That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

    When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.
    Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.
    I think the difference is that GGG can basically have his pick because everybody is lining up to fight him. No one is lining up to fight Charlo because he is a high risk low reward fight. I think once Charlo breaks through, he will take big fights.

    I just think that GGG is looking at the money at this point in his career (understandably) and that’s why he can take an easy fight (Brant) and stall until a third Canelo fight. I get his reasoning, but as a fan of the sport, I want to see GGG other fighters.
    Your last sentence is bang on, we all would do the same, try to set our families and ourselves up for the future. It's not the easiest way to make a living.

    Can I ask who you would like GGG to fight next, if you could make it happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

    That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

    When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.
    Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.
    I think the difference is that GGG can basically have his pick because everybody is lining up to fight him. No one is lining up to fight Charlo because he is a high risk low reward fight. I think once Charlo breaks through, he will take big fights.

    I just think that GGG is looking at the money at this point in his career (understandably) and that’s why he can take an easy fight (Brant) and stall until a third Canelo fight. I get his reasoning, but as a fan of the sport, I want to see GGG other fighters.
    Your last sentence is bang on, we all would do the same, try to set our families and ourselves up for the future. It's not the easiest way to make a living.

    Can I ask who you would like GGG to fight next, if you could make it happen?
    Depends on when he fights. If he is waiting for a September fight with Canelo, then he can take a little more of a break. I would rather he fights Charlo (my #1 choice) or Jacobs in April. I would be completely fine with Andrade though. BJS is a good fight too, but he messed himself up. I would also still be happy with Derevyanchenko. Brant is easily behind those fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

    That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

    When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.
    Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.
    I think the difference is that GGG can basically have his pick because everybody is lining up to fight him. No one is lining up to fight Charlo because he is a high risk low reward fight. I think once Charlo breaks through, he will take big fights.

    I just think that GGG is looking at the money at this point in his career (understandably) and that’s why he can take an easy fight (Brant) and stall until a third Canelo fight. I get his reasoning, but as a fan of the sport, I want to see GGG other fighters.
    Your last sentence is bang on, we all would do the same, try to set our families and ourselves up for the future. It's not the easiest way to make a living.

    Can I ask who you would like GGG to fight next, if you could make it happen?
    Depends on when he fights. If he is waiting for a September fight with Canelo, then he can take a little more of a break. I would rather he fights Charlo (my #1 choice) or Jacobs in April. I would be completely fine with Andrade though. BJS is a good fight too, but he messed himself up. I would also still be happy with Derevyanchenko. Brant is easily behind those fighters.
    I would prefer a Jacobs rematch, they are arguably the 2 best in the division. But again its a guy GGG has fought before.

    If it was someone who he hadn't yet fought, then Derevyanchenko would be my preference.

    GGG could go with ESPN and fight Ramirez at 168, to add another name to the mix.
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