They're talking GGG-Brant now

[Alpha]

This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.

Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.

I think the difference is that GGG can basically have his pick because everybody is lining up to fight him. No one is lining up to fight Charlo because he is a high risk low reward fight. I think once Charlo breaks through, he will take big fights.

I just think that GGG is looking at the money at this point in his career (understandably) and that’s why he can take an easy fight (Brant) and stall until a third Canelo fight. I get his reasoning, but as a fan of the sport, I want to see GGG other fighters.

Your last sentence is bang on, we all would do the same, try to set our families and ourselves up for the future. It's not the easiest way to make a living.

Can I ask who you would like GGG to fight next, if you could make it happen?

[powerpuncher]

This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.

Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.

I think the difference is that GGG can basically have his pick because everybody is lining up to fight him. No one is lining up to fight Charlo because he is a high risk low reward fight. I think once Charlo breaks through, he will take big fights.

I just think that GGG is looking at the money at this point in his career (understandably) and that’s why he can take an easy fight (Brant) and stall until a third Canelo fight. I get his reasoning, but as a fan of the sport, I want to see GGG other fighters.

Your last sentence is bang on, we all would do the same, try to set our families and ourselves up for the future. It's not the easiest way to make a living.

Can I ask who you would like GGG to fight next, if you could make it happen?

Depends on when he fights. If he is waiting for a September fight with Canelo, then he can take a little more of a break. I would rather he fights Charlo (my #1 choice) or Jacobs in April. I would be completely fine with Andrade though. BJS is a good fight too, but he messed himself up. I would also still be happy with Derevyanchenko. Brant is easily behind those fighters.

[Alpha]

This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.

Can we justify Centeno or Monroe? Both very far from desired.

I think the difference is that GGG can basically have his pick because everybody is lining up to fight him. No one is lining up to fight Charlo because he is a high risk low reward fight. I think once Charlo breaks through, he will take big fights.

I just think that GGG is looking at the money at this point in his career (understandably) and that’s why he can take an easy fight (Brant) and stall until a third Canelo fight. I get his reasoning, but as a fan of the sport, I want to see GGG other fighters.

Your last sentence is bang on, we all would do the same, try to set our families and ourselves up for the future. It's not the easiest way to make a living.

Can I ask who you would like GGG to fight next, if you could make it happen?

Depends on when he fights. If he is waiting for a September fight with Canelo, then he can take a little more of a break. I would rather he fights Charlo (my #1 choice) or Jacobs in April. I would be completely fine with Andrade though. BJS is a good fight too, but he messed himself up. I would also still be happy with Derevyanchenko. Brant is easily behind those fighters.

I would prefer a Jacobs rematch, they are arguably the 2 best in the division. But again its a guy GGG has fought before.

If it was someone who he hadn't yet fought, then Derevyanchenko would be my preference.

GGG could go with ESPN and fight Ramirez at 168, to add another name to the mix.

[powerpuncher]

I think 168 is just too big for GGG. Especially at this age. He will be giving up his power most likely which will be a huge disadvantage for him. I’m not that high on Ramirez, but I think he could turn it into a war and make GGG very uncomfortable.

[TitoFan]

I think 168 is just too big for GGG. Especially at this age. He will be giving up his power most likely which will be a huge disadvantage for him. I’m not that high on Ramirez, but I think he could turn it into a war and make GGG very uncomfortable.

I agree with this. People seem to forget GGG has fought at MW his entire career. Talking about Canelo going up to 168 vs. GGG going up to 168 is like apples and oranges. GGG is an older fighter. There's no sense in him at this stage of his career to look at anything at 168. Which is why talk years past of him meeting Ward at 168 was nonsensical to me. GGG would be destroyed at 168 by some of the fast, big punchers up there.

[Alpha]

I think 168 is just too big for GGG. Especially at this age. He will be giving up his power most likely which will be a huge disadvantage for him. I’m not that high on Ramirez, but I think he could turn it into a war and make GGG very uncomfortable.

I agree with this. People seem to forget GGG has fought at MW his entire career. Talking about Canelo going up to 168 vs. GGG going up to 168 is like apples and oranges. GGG is an older fighter. There's no sense in him at this stage of his career to look at anything at 168. Which is why talk years past of him meeting Ward at 168 was nonsensical to me. GGG would be destroyed at 168 by some of the fast, big punchers up there.

I think GGG would be competitive with anyone at 168 right now. And if he signed to fight Ramirez next, I'd pick GGG to knock him out. Obviously ESPN has been trying to interest him, so they may be trying to dangle Ramirez to entice him. If the $$$ are right why shouldn't he take Ramirez at 168?

[TitoFan]

I think 168 is just too big for GGG. Especially at this age. He will be giving up his power most likely which will be a huge disadvantage for him. I’m not that high on Ramirez, but I think he could turn it into a war and make GGG very uncomfortable.

I agree with this. People seem to forget GGG has fought at MW his entire career. Talking about Canelo going up to 168 vs. GGG going up to 168 is like apples and oranges. GGG is an older fighter. There's no sense in him at this stage of his career to look at anything at 168. Which is why talk years past of him meeting Ward at 168 was nonsensical to me. GGG would be destroyed at 168 by some of the fast, big punchers up there.

I think GGG would be competitive with anyone at 168 right now. And if he signed to fight Ramirez next, I'd pick GGG to knock him out. Obviously ESPN has been trying to interest him, so they may be trying to dangle Ramirez to entice him. If the $$$ are right why shouldn't he take Ramirez at 168?

You really think a fighter who spends his entire career at MW can just up and be successful against the best at 168? I think weight jumps are best done in a fighter's prime or close to it. If GGG were to be halfway successful at 168, I'd say it was due partly to the relative lack of talent at that weight versus other divisions. Not knocking GGG, as I'm a big fan.... and there's something to be said for a fighter staying at one weight. But moving to 168 now would seem just weird.

[Primo Carnera]

I think 168 is just too big for GGG. Especially at this age. He will be giving up his power most likely which will be a huge disadvantage for him. I’m not that high on Ramirez, but I think he could turn it into a war and make GGG very uncomfortable.

I agree with this. People seem to forget GGG has fought at MW his entire career. Talking about Canelo going up to 168 vs. GGG going up to 168 is like apples and oranges. GGG is an older fighter. There's no sense in him at this stage of his career to look at anything at 168. Which is why talk years past of him meeting Ward at 168 was nonsensical to me. GGG would be destroyed at 168 by some of the fast, big punchers up there.

Which is all very true. But his team let him down by now saying “maybe we would go up for the right fight, maybe Smith.” Maybe they should fuck off.