Mind the Gap

[El Kabong]

Sounds like you are obsessed by immigrants. Your President is the child of Immigrants, the fact that you are White American means your ancestors too were immigrants. Surprisingly though, not everything is the fault of Immigrants.

In the UK, where you don't fucking live, there is no evidence that unskilled migrants suppress wages, even without considering skilled migrants, it is a Tory/Conservative fallacy, an immigration policy based on your and the Tories distaste for 'Low skilled workers'. You are fucked if you want to use logic to excuse your bigotry. You believe in Markets and yet here you are arguing for centralized Government control in another country based on your own disgusting distaste for it. Most immigrants in the UK come from the EU and are far better educated than the Brits. Young, well educated and hard working but you never mention them. One would have to ask themselves why that is? oh and students. I suppose you find them being immigrants disgusting too? Are they an invading army? Or is it the Refugees who will massively increase after Brexit. The EU has the Schengen passport free agreement in places BUT NOT THE UK. WE HAVE BORDER CHECKS. You have been sold a lie because like a hungry Sea Lion you were drooling in anticipation of something so fishy. Then you swallowed it whole. Not a good look.


"..the empirical evidence shows that EU immigration has not had significantly negative effects on average employment, wages or inequality for British people." http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/0...ag-down-wages/

I wouldn't say I'm obsessed BY immigrants at all...what I explained was not so much an immigration issue as it is an economic issue. It's supply and demand. We've got a demand for unskilled workers like anywhere else, however, when the supply of unskilled workers is so great the folks actually needing the workers can pay them pennies on the dollar for their labor thereby hurting unskilled workers who were already in that area/nation/state/country it's not good, not good for anyone really even the migrants.

Donald Trump is the GRANDSON of immigrants, legal immigrants mind you and at a time when immigration was needed to help man factories which fueled the industrial revolution and built our economy up.

LOL my ancestors, oh dear dear dear ....my ancestors have been here since before the United States was an independent nation, they fought in the Revolutionary War....multiple times mind you. So that's what? 243 years ago? So we're talking what? 9-10 generations of my folks being here in this very same state. How much longer will I be considered the product of "immigrants" I'm curious?... but I'm sorry you were saying?


In the UK where I don't live....
How immigrants affect jobs and wages
https://fullfact.org/immigration/imm...s-immigration/
UK research suggests that immigration has a small impact on average wages of existing workers but more significant effects for certain groups: low-wage workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain.
...Immigrants make your working class poorer and the wealthy more wealthy FACT


I don't care for the Tories or the Conservatives, UKIP is the only party with any lick of sense.


Yes yes call me a bigot, but don't talk about the issues.

"You believe in Markets and yet here you are arguing for centralized Government control in another country based on your own disgusting distaste for it."
Um, you may have inferred that but I didn't say or imply it....The US is on your little graph there and so I responded to it. Sorry I didn't realize I wasn't welcome....mea culpa.

Immigrants can be well educated and all that awesome great stuff I don't deny it....where's their loyalty and what makes them British or English? Those are important questions for the future of England and the UK. In order for there to be a working society there needs to be a couple common threads which bind the people together otherwise problems will develop...I don't make the rules up it's just how life is.

Refugees COULD increase after Brexit, or England COULD enforce it's borders. It's up to those folks who live there.

Look at the EU and look in the mirror and ask yourself who got sold what....I thought England and the UK were just fine before they sold their future to Brussels. LMAO fight the Nazis tooth and nail and then decades later WILLINGLY sign up for their One Europe where you don't even get to choose your fucking European Parliament members LMFAO.....yeah nothing gets past you guys



Anywho, you have fun

[Gandalf]

To not point out immigration at all when 8 million people have moved to a small country in a relatively short time and in turn contributed to a housing crisis, school place shortages and been a burden on the NHS is daft. A figure that is not disputed is that migration over a 15 year period cost the UK 119 billion pounds conservatively, but more likely up above 150 billion pounds. That is 6bn pounds a year. I don't know about you but to throw away that much money when it could be spent on something useful for local people seems a waste.

That in tandem with a poorly run economy will have an effect. The truth is the UK minimum wage is reasonable and you can rent a studio cheaply and though you will never live like a king (and neither should you doing an unskilled job), you can live okay. It is one reason migrants like the UK and of course the very generous benefits system that all too many in the country use and stay on year in year out. Out here it is 3 months and then snip. Gone. Get a job.

It would be better to close the borders, protect domestic jobs and rights, and of course close down loopholes and tax havens for the rich. Actually build council housing and give it to responsible people rather than ISIS fighters and single mothers.

A country needs to aspire and this is where other countries leave the UK behind with stronger public services, more cohesive family structures and better education.

[Джем Мейс]

To not point out immigration at all when 8 million people have moved to a small country in a relatively short time and in turn contributed to a housing crisis, school place shortages and been a burden on the NHS is daft. A figure that is not disputed is that migration over a 15 year period cost the UK 119 billion pounds conservatively, but more likely up above 150 billion pounds. That is 6bn pounds a year. I don't know about you but to throw away that much money when it could be spent on something useful for local people seems a waste.

That in tandem with a poorly run economy will have an effect. The truth is the UK minimum wage is reasonable and you can rent a studio cheaply and though you will never live like a king (and neither should you doing an unskilled job), you can live okay. It is one reason migrants like the UK and of course the very generous benefits system that all too many in the country use and stay on year in year out. Out here it is 3 months and then snip. Gone. Get a job.

It would be better to close the borders, protect domestic jobs and rights, and of course close down loopholes and tax havens for the rich. Actually build council housing and give it to responsible people rather than ISIS fighters and single mothers.

A country needs to aspire and this is where other countries leave the UK behind with stronger public services, more cohesive family structures and better education.

A figure that is not disputed is that migration over a 15 year period cost the UK 119 billion pounds conservatively, but more likely up above 150 billion pounds

This is a lie. That makes you a liar.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8448261.html

You insistence that council housing is reserved for ISIS fighters and single mothers proves that you are also a Racist and Bigot. You are pretending that because you despise the working class the immigrant working class willing to do jobs that Brits will not, are scum to you. Your disgust at people doing what you consider an unskilled job reveals just how much you have sold out. How many pieces of silver did you get for that?

You would rather suck off Douglas Murray than give anyone a living wage. No wonder you love to have your ears tickled by fascists.

[Gandalf]

LOL.

A proven 15 year study of the net cost of immigration is something most sensible people would take over a 'projected' number from a contemporary Independent 'newspaper' puff piece.

The data is the data and your other ranty faux outrage is neither here nor there. You cannot prove it wrong whence that article which refuted nothing. I can cite the specific research which you can read yourself.

I could rent a studio and live on the minimum wage. There is no contempt there. However, it is made harder when 8 million are competing for the same things. It's basic supply and demand.

When is enough? 10 million? 15? 25? You do realize that politicians, even British politicians, accept that yes, there is a problem. Even Labour who started this on the contemporary scale admitted they got it wrong. Brexit says people think it is wrong. So, what are you defending exactly? Do you think multiculturalism has been a success?

I said to close down tax loopholes and off shore havens. But the compromise is an end to immigration and to have a little self respect and believe that British people can drive taxis and work in hospitals. I went to hospital yesterday. There was no demand for overseas nurses plucked from the 3rd world. Everything functions just fine.

Douglas Murray is an attractive and well informed man. You should have a little respect.

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Fuck Douglas and all who ride in him

[Gandalf]

When reason flies out the window and the gutter rises.

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When reason flies out the window and the gutter rises.

There is no lower form of stupidity than the racism that you and Murray both subscribe to. It is crass, dangerous and a filthy ideology with which you both like to play. If in a thread about the gross inequality in Great Britain, all you are worried about is defending some Etonian Schooled Oxford educated Neo-con, who like you has made sure that any voices who are not vehemently anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant are silenced, then it is quite clear where your allegiances lie. They are most certainly not with the country you ran away from, or the working class you seem to think should be grateful for cake.

Wanker.

[Джем Мейс]

Sounds like you are obsessed by immigrants. Your President is the child of Immigrants, the fact that you are White American means your ancestors too were immigrants. Surprisingly though, not everything is the fault of Immigrants.

In the UK, where you don't fucking live, there is no evidence that unskilled migrants suppress wages, even without considering skilled migrants, it is a Tory/Conservative fallacy, an immigration policy based on your and the Tories distaste for 'Low skilled workers'. You are fucked if you want to use logic to excuse your bigotry. You believe in Markets and yet here you are arguing for centralized Government control in another country based on your own disgusting distaste for it. Most immigrants in the UK come from the EU and are far better educated than the Brits. Young, well educated and hard working but you never mention them. One would have to ask themselves why that is? oh and students. I suppose you find them being immigrants disgusting too? Are they an invading army? Or is it the Refugees who will massively increase after Brexit. The EU has the Schengen passport free agreement in places BUT NOT THE UK. WE HAVE BORDER CHECKS. You have been sold a lie because like a hungry Sea Lion you were drooling in anticipation of something so fishy. Then you swallowed it whole. Not a good look.


"..the empirical evidence shows that EU immigration has not had significantly negative effects on average employment, wages or inequality for British people." http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/0...ag-down-wages/

I wouldn't say I'm obsessed BY immigrants at all...what I explained was not so much an immigration issue as it is an economic issue. It's supply and demand. We've got a demand for unskilled workers like anywhere else, however, when the supply of unskilled workers is so great the folks actually needing the workers can pay them pennies on the dollar for their labor thereby hurting unskilled workers who were already in that area/nation/state/country it's not good, not good for anyone really even the migrants.

Donald Trump is the GRANDSON of immigrants, legal immigrants mind you and at a time when immigration was needed to help man factories which fueled the industrial revolution and built our economy up.

LOL my ancestors, oh dear dear dear ....my ancestors have been here since before the United States was an independent nation, they fought in the Revolutionary War....multiple times mind you. So that's what? 243 years ago? So we're talking what? 9-10 generations of my folks being here in this very same state. How much longer will I be considered the product of "immigrants" I'm curious?... but I'm sorry you were saying?


In the UK where I don't live....
How immigrants affect jobs and wages
https://fullfact.org/immigration/imm...s-immigration/
UK research suggests that immigration has a small impact on average wages of existing workers but more significant effects for certain groups: low-wage workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain.
...Immigrants make your working class poorer and the wealthy more wealthy FACT


I don't care for the Tories or the Conservatives, UKIP is the only party with any lick of sense.


Yes yes call me a bigot, but don't talk about the issues.

"You believe in Markets and yet here you are arguing for centralized Government control in another country based on your own disgusting distaste for it."
Um, you may have inferred that but I didn't say or imply it....The US is on your little graph there and so I responded to it. Sorry I didn't realize I wasn't welcome....mea culpa.

Immigrants can be well educated and all that awesome great stuff I don't deny it....where's their loyalty and what makes them British or English? Those are important questions for the future of England and the UK. In order for there to be a working society there needs to be a couple common threads which bind the people together otherwise problems will develop...I don't make the rules up it's just how life is.

Refugees COULD increase after Brexit, or England COULD enforce it's borders. It's up to those folks who live there.

Look at the EU and look in the mirror and ask yourself who got sold what....I thought England and the UK were just fine before they sold their future to Brussels. LMAO fight the Nazis tooth and nail and then decades later WILLINGLY sign up for their One Europe where you don't even get to choose your fucking European Parliament members LMFAO.....yeah nothing gets past you guys



Anywho, you have fun

How unsurprising that you are still waging your fake news war denying the horrors of the Nazis with your desire to emulate them with an axis of Nationalist states around the world. The arrogance of you assuming their are no common threads between British unless you approve of them or they are white is mind blowing. You can get to France in an hour and a half from England in a car on a boat or you can even take a train like people do daily. You seem disgusted by that or the idea that we may work in Europe or they may come and work here. Why? Had you not taken into account exactly how much we Europeans have in common when many families share more than one nationality?