Mind the Gap

[Gandalf]

LOL.

A proven 15 year study of the net cost of immigration is something most sensible people would take over a 'projected' number from a contemporary Independent 'newspaper' puff piece.

The data is the data and your other ranty faux outrage is neither here nor there. You cannot prove it wrong whence that article which refuted nothing. I can cite the specific research which you can read yourself.

I could rent a studio and live on the minimum wage. There is no contempt there. However, it is made harder when 8 million are competing for the same things. It's basic supply and demand.

When is enough? 10 million? 15? 25? You do realize that politicians, even British politicians, accept that yes, there is a problem. Even Labour who started this on the contemporary scale admitted they got it wrong. Brexit says people think it is wrong. So, what are you defending exactly? Do you think multiculturalism has been a success?

I said to close down tax loopholes and off shore havens. But the compromise is an end to immigration and to have a little self respect and believe that British people can drive taxis and work in hospitals. I went to hospital yesterday. There was no demand for overseas nurses plucked from the 3rd world. Everything functions just fine.

Douglas Murray is an attractive and well informed man. You should have a little respect.

[Джем Мейс]

Fuck Douglas and all who ride in him

[Gandalf]

When reason flies out the window and the gutter rises.

[Джем Мейс]

When reason flies out the window and the gutter rises.

There is no lower form of stupidity than the racism that you and Murray both subscribe to. It is crass, dangerous and a filthy ideology with which you both like to play. If in a thread about the gross inequality in Great Britain, all you are worried about is defending some Etonian Schooled Oxford educated Neo-con, who like you has made sure that any voices who are not vehemently anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant are silenced, then it is quite clear where your allegiances lie. They are most certainly not with the country you ran away from, or the working class you seem to think should be grateful for cake.

Wanker.

[Gandalf]

When reason flies out the window and the gutter rises.

There is no lower form of stupidity than the racism that you and Murray both subscribe to. It is crass, dangerous and a filthy ideology with which you both like to play. If in a thread about the gross inequality in Great Britain, all you are worried about is defending some Etonian Schooled Oxford educated Neo-con, who like you has made sure that any voices who are not vehemently anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant are silenced, then it is quite clear where your allegiances lie. They are most certainly not with the country you ran away from, or the working class you seem to think should be grateful for cake.

Wanker.

Hmm. Who brought up the subject of race? Didn't George Orwell also go to Eton too? It's not about defending an individual it is about making an argument about what contributes towards a 'gap'. My argument is that open borders along with deregulation and weak government leads to inevitable inequalities of wealth. It has little to do with skin color. Most of the migrants from Europe are white.

I am telling you, on an income of 7 pounds an hour and with a hot chick who earns the same, you can pool that money and live a very reasonable life. Now you do need to have a certain Etonian charm and an ability to count to get such work or indeed entice the hot chick, who must indeed be non white, as one needs to cover ones racist tracks, but overall you can live pretty well.

People should of course not eat cake as it is filled with chemicals and gluten which will inevitably mean the NHS is even more burdened. Just eat healthily and all is good.

[El Kabong]

Wow....you're an angry lil fella, don't stroke out on us.

Hey man, you go do whatever you want with England. Pay no attention to the Pareto principle or game theory or ACTUAL HISTORY, you know really go out and ACHIEVE that utopia!

Ever get assigned a group project in school? Out of 6 about how many truly put the work in? Would that be a fun way to live?

I never dismissed what the Nazis did by the way....not sure I get where you're coming from in accusing me of that, but I'd venture to guess it's close to Plymouth.

[walrus]

Wow....you're an angry lil fella, don't stroke out on us.

Hey man, you go do whatever you want with England. Pay no attention to the Pareto principle or game theory or ACTUAL HISTORY, you know really go out and ACHIEVE that utopia!

Ever get assigned a group project in school? Out of 6 about how many truly put the work in? Would that be a fun way to live?

I never dismissed what the Nazis did by the way....not sure I get where you're coming from in accusing me of that, but I'd venture to guess it's close to Plymouth.

No, he ended his post with “wanker” couldn’t be.

[Gandalf]

Wow....you're an angry lil fella, don't stroke out on us.

Hey man, you go do whatever you want with England. Pay no attention to the Pareto principle or game theory or ACTUAL HISTORY, you know really go out and ACHIEVE that utopia!

Ever get assigned a group project in school? Out of 6 about how many truly put the work in? Would that be a fun way to live?

I never dismissed what the Nazis did by the way....not sure I get where you're coming from in accusing me of that, but I'd venture to guess it's close to Plymouth.

It's such an intellectually dishonest way to 'debate'. To turn criticism of immigration into an automatic advocacy of 'racism' and to then resort to very crude 'Ad Hominem' and then run away. Surely you have to accept that a huge net loss to an economy over 15 years is pretty substantial. One cannot just ignore it and pretend that it does not matter. 6 billions pounds a year. An article a few days ago suggested the NHS needed an immediate 3 billion. That would be easy to find if between 119 - 150 billion (or even more) had not been frittered away bringing in people who would cost money. And for sure, far more was given to the banks too.

Angry poster not called Beanz goes on to suggest that allegiances do not lie with a country which apparently has been run away from, but Brexit tells its own story as do polls asking what Europeans feel about immigration within their societies. One can make it a personal attack but what about what those in Europe or the UK, you know people who actually live there, and the data from those people? I have never participated in such a poll. When 47% of the populace argue that Islam has no place in a Western society, that is the British people. When 66% of Germans say the same, that is their voice. When a majority votes for Brexit that is their voice. When 89% of the population wants no more population growth it might be wise to listen to them.

Is everyone now a racist and a traitor? It is a very ideological way to look at things. I thought this was a debate about wealth inequality, but somebody does not know how to debate.