What's it gonna take for this guy to get the message?

[TitoFan]

You sound emotional again, Tito. If a country wants weapons to defend itself then it has the right to have them. I do not see America giving up any of its chemical or nuclear weapons or reducing the hundreds of military bases around the world. If there is one thing Iraq taught every country it is that you need a strong deterrent. You can go on about missiles lobbed over Japan all you like, but is that any worse than dropping bombs on Syria or arming terrorists in the Middle East. It is all about perspective.

You sound emotional again Tito. You sound emotional again Tito. Squawkkkkk!!!!!! Polly want a cracker?

Damn bro..... time to latch on to another line. That one's as worn out as a 5-dollar hooker.



Nothing like posting news like this to get all the predictable, rehashed answers from all the usual suspects. In your case, it's your predictable defense of that loon in charge of NK, while going into your America-bash mode. I could bet money on it.

What's more likely, Miles? America using its nukes unprovoked to obliterate a population in another country? (they did it once..... doubt they'll do it again) Or Jong-Un losing his grip on reality and pushing the red button?

Did you say you say the former?




Wrong answer.

[TitoFan]

We got the gamut of reactions on this. From it's fake news don't believe it.... to NK isn't really a threat.... to the U.S. is the devil and NK shouldn't be feared.

The reality of the situation is that the U.S. is attempting to use different means to get NK to give up its nuclear armament program. Nothing wrong with that. The less nuke-ready nations in the world the better. Especially when dealing with nations with borderline unhinged leaders. I believe NK pretty much qualifies under that criteria.

Verification should be the cornerstone of any agreement. It's like buying a house or a car. Hopefully you'll want to take a look at it first before deciding to buy. Anything short of that, or any excuses offered as to why that can't happen is usually a sign that the other part is hiding something. Yes.... you can take a look at the house, but you can't go into the basement. Yeah... right.

As wacky as Trump can seem on occasion, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that IMO Jong-Un has got him beat in that regard. He just doesn't strike me as the stable, world leader I'd bet my house on. He's just as liable to push the red button as any other world leader with a red button to push. Very likely he's more so.

[Gandalf]

We got the gamut of reactions on this. From it's fake news don't believe it.... to NK isn't really a threat.... to the U.S. is the devil and NK shouldn't be feared.

The reality of the situation is that the U.S. is attempting to use different means to get NK to give up its nuclear armament program. Nothing wrong with that. The less nuke-ready nations in the world the better. Especially when dealing with nations with borderline unhinged leaders. I believe NK pretty much qualifies under that criteria.

Verification should be the cornerstone of any agreement. It's like buying a house or a car. Hopefully you'll want to take a look at it first before deciding to buy. Anything short of that, or any excuses offered as to why that can't happen is usually a sign that the other part is hiding something. Yes.... you can take a look at the house, but you can't go into the basement. Yeah... right.

As wacky as Trump can seem on occasion, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that IMO Jong-Un has got him beat in that regard. He just doesn't strike me as the stable, world leader I'd bet my house on. He's just as liable to push the red button as any other world leader with a red button to push. Very likely he's more so.

One question. Will America also give up its nuclear weapons?

[TitoFan]

We got the gamut of reactions on this. From it's fake news don't believe it.... to NK isn't really a threat.... to the U.S. is the devil and NK shouldn't be feared.

The reality of the situation is that the U.S. is attempting to use different means to get NK to give up its nuclear armament program. Nothing wrong with that. The less nuke-ready nations in the world the better. Especially when dealing with nations with borderline unhinged leaders. I believe NK pretty much qualifies under that criteria.

Verification should be the cornerstone of any agreement. It's like buying a house or a car. Hopefully you'll want to take a look at it first before deciding to buy. Anything short of that, or any excuses offered as to why that can't happen is usually a sign that the other part is hiding something. Yes.... you can take a look at the house, but you can't go into the basement. Yeah... right.

As wacky as Trump can seem on occasion, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that IMO Jong-Un has got him beat in that regard. He just doesn't strike me as the stable, world leader I'd bet my house on. He's just as liable to push the red button as any other world leader with a red button to push. Very likely he's more so.

One question. Will America also give up its nuclear weapons?

Was that a serious question?

You obviously didn't read my post, so I'll regurgitate it again.

In the overall scheme of things..... who is most likely to push the red button and start a nuclear holocaust?

The U.S.? With its 325 million people and its system of checks and balances? With everything to lose and nothing to gain?

Or North Korea.... with NOTHING to lose. With a dictator (yes... that's the correct word) with several personality disorders, who holds a Hollywood-type facade in front of his people to where they all seem like the Korean version of Stepford wives.

Why should the U.S., one of the accepted world powers for many decades, give up its nuclear weapons just so NK will do the same? Is Russia also going to give up ITS nukes? Is China?

I'm afraid you're comparing apples to oranges here. No.... scratch that. You're comparing apples to aircraft carriers.

North Korea should concentrate on its own economy, on the well-being of its people, you know....... meaningless shit like that. People can't eat or drink nuclear missiles.

[El Kabong]

At the end of the day what is the problem? Is it Kim Jong Un? Is it there being a North Korea? I mean shit I think most everyone would be happy if there was only 1 Korea, 1 Korea would be Best Korea IMO....but from 1950 until Trump became President it's been tough, we've seen the most progress in the relationships between North Korea, South Korea, and the United States in that time. In that time the Korean War, the one started in 1950, was FINALLY ended, American KIA were returned home, drills have slowed if not stopped, missile tests and missile launches have stopped.


So why the rush to "OMG shit's going to hit the fan very soon?"



I think things have been going alright. We'll see where things go, but I for one don't think Lil Kim is going to say "Well I've finally be treated like a big boy....let's blow this joint" it makes no sense to me from America's standpoint because it's not like we CAN'T hit them with a KO punch if they did anything dumb and it makes no sense from their perspective either, they have JUST been invited to the adults' table, why would they fuck that up on purpose?


I think it's ok to be concerned about Kim Jong Un, it's ok to keep an eye on them, but I think they're feeling better about how things are going than in the past so I doubt they'll fuck it up, but we'll see.

[goti71]

The US and everyone else have everything to lose while NK doesn't.

BUT the last thing a regime like NK would do, with its elite living like kings (or like gods while their people are gaunt and low average IQ), would be to start getting serious with nukes. Because that's when all those fancy countries —with their comfortable stabilities— would have absolutely nothing to lose. Not a good move by North Korea.

The best option would be to just let it die a natural death (like Franco in spain). Because imagine if we did take out this Kim Jong Un (sniper on a roof? Poison? A "small" nuke?); who'se going to deal with a massive flood of hungry unskilled North Koreans the next day?

It's basically a regime holding several million people hostage and I don't think it really is a danger to anyone (not to downplay how horrible it is for their people). Swat teams can handle hostage situations easily, but nobody is interested in a shootout.

[Gandalf]

Tito, I will once again say that it is a very poorly thought out question. North Korea has no track record in recent decades of invading countries or making more than belligerent statements on state TV (akin to the CNN you hold dear actually). They are not a threat to the US. They are a threat to SK and likewise SK is a threat to them thus peaceful moves have and are being made.

A thread like this is a bit random and clearly induced by you being manipulated by your media. Calm down and think things through. Right at this very moment progress is being made. Nothing needs to be done about NK. If you want to go agead and take out Baba Booey then go ahead, but otherwise stop virtue signalling based on very little.

[Gandalf]

You sound emotional again, Tito. If a country wants weapons to defend itself then it has the right to have them. I do not see America giving up any of its chemical or nuclear weapons or reducing the hundreds of military bases around the world. If there is one thing Iraq taught every country it is that you need a strong deterrent. You can go on about missiles lobbed over Japan all you like, but is that any worse than dropping bombs on Syria or arming terrorists in the Middle East. It is all about perspective.

You sound emotional again Tito. You sound emotional again Tito. Squawkkkkk!!!!!! Polly want a cracker?

Damn bro..... time to latch on to another line. That one's as worn out as a 5-dollar hooker.



Nothing like posting news like this to get all the predictable, rehashed answers from all the usual suspects. In your case, it's your predictable defense of that loon in charge of NK, while going into your America-bash mode. I could bet money on it.

What's more likely, Miles? America using its nukes unprovoked to obliterate a population in another country? (they did it once..... doubt they'll do it again) Or Jong-Un losing his grip on reality and pushing the red button?

Did you say you say the former?




Wrong answer.

You still sound emotional and your question is a silly one. It is a valid question. What weapons is America giving up? Every nation has the right to defend itself. Every nation has that right. You rant away about Baba Huey or whatever childish name it is this week, but the fact is that the rockets have stopped and progress is being made in the region. If CNN winds you up this much I suggest you change the channel.

[walrus]

We stopped war games but they can be started if need be. This isn’t new news, there have been other reports NK is building things seen on satellite. Fact is when obama left office he told trump this was the biggest threat we were dealing with and for a time it seemed like war was inevitable, or a lot of people were calling for it. We don’t know for sure if best Korea isn’t doing something funky behind the scenes but from what it was a year or two, and longer, and does seem calmer. Could be a snow job nonetheless

[Gandalf]

We stopped war games but they can be started if need be. This isn’t new news, there have been other reports NK is building things seen on satellite. Fact is when obama left office he told trump this was the biggest threat we were dealing with and for a time it seemed like war was inevitable, or a lot of people were calling for it. We don’t know for sure if best Korea isn’t doing something funky behind the scenes but from what it was a year or two, and longer, and does seem calmer. Could be a snow job nonetheless

The way I see it. The South has stopped the provocative drills and in turn the rocket lobbing has stopped. Diplomatically there has been a lot of progress made. I think this thread is a lot of hot air over nothing. Nothing in the media here is over the top like CNN. Whenever I go home people ask me 'Do you not fear the crazy North?' and I always have to tell them that they live in project media fear. They are much more concerned and bothered because their media sells them fear 24/7. It isn't like that out here. Even at the height of the crisis I knew someone with an in law fairly high up in the military who laughed it all off over dinner saying it was all under control. Turned out he was completely right. Obviously I was quite concerned myself until that point. Do not believe everything you hear in the media. When the rockets start flying pay attention, but otherwise, take things with a pinch of salt. North Korea hasn't been building airports, golf courses and beach resorts for fun. There is an obvious plan. Tito ranting about mental instability is ironic really. I do not agree with the regime, but it is definitely working with an agenda and that does not seem to be war. I have a friend going there next year actually. Trying to get me to go, but I am not having it as I know it is not a proper open holiday and do not endorse it as it is.

[walrus]

We stopped war games but they can be started if need be. This isn’t new news, there have been other reports NK is building things seen on satellite. Fact is when obama left office he told trump this was the biggest threat we were dealing with and for a time it seemed like war was inevitable, or a lot of people were calling for it. We don’t know for sure if best Korea isn’t doing something funky behind the scenes but from what it was a year or two, and longer, and does seem calmer. Could be a snow job nonetheless

The way I see it. The South has stopped the provocative drills and in turn the rocket lobbing has stopped. Diplomatically there has been a lot of progress made. I think this thread is a lot of hot air over nothing. Nothing in the media here is over the top like CNN. Whenever I go home people ask me 'Do you not fear the crazy North?' and I always have to tell them that they live in project media fear. They are much more concerned and bothered because their media sells them fear 24/7. It isn't like that out here. Even at the height of the crisis I knew someone with an in law fairly high up in the military who laughed it all off over dinner saying it was all under control. Turned out he was completely right. Obviously I was quite concerned myself until that point. Do not believe everything you hear in the media. When the rockets start flying pay attention, but otherwise, take things with a pinch of salt. North Korea hasn't been building airports, golf courses and beach resorts for fun. There is an obvious plan. Tito ranting about mental instability is ironic really. I do not agree with the regime, but it is definitely working with an agenda and that does not seem to be war. I have a friend going there next year actually. Trying to get me to go, but I am not having it as I know it is not a proper open holiday and do not endorse it as it is.

It would be fascinating to see but I imagine u look as white as me so it may not be a good idea.

[Gandalf]

It is perfectly safe, but you are essentially 'minded' and follow a set plan. If you haven't seen it yet check out Michael Palin in North Korea which is probably on You Tube. He got to see a lot more than most will. I really wonder how they will make beach resorts work if everyone is in need of a minder though. It is a curious paradox. You can even teach there as long as you are not American.

Very childish for the corpse pisser Tito to be wanting 'hits' on people because of nukes. I never see him advocating the elimination of Israeli, British, Russian, Chinese or American nukes. Yet somehow NK is somehow more unhinged and dangerous. It makes no sense from a logical standpoint. He is addled by the mainstream media.