What's it gonna take for this guy to get the message?

[Gandalf]

We got the gamut of reactions on this. From it's fake news don't believe it.... to NK isn't really a threat.... to the U.S. is the devil and NK shouldn't be feared.

The reality of the situation is that the U.S. is attempting to use different means to get NK to give up its nuclear armament program. Nothing wrong with that. The less nuke-ready nations in the world the better. Especially when dealing with nations with borderline unhinged leaders. I believe NK pretty much qualifies under that criteria.

Verification should be the cornerstone of any agreement. It's like buying a house or a car. Hopefully you'll want to take a look at it first before deciding to buy. Anything short of that, or any excuses offered as to why that can't happen is usually a sign that the other part is hiding something. Yes.... you can take a look at the house, but you can't go into the basement. Yeah... right.

As wacky as Trump can seem on occasion, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that IMO Jong-Un has got him beat in that regard. He just doesn't strike me as the stable, world leader I'd bet my house on. He's just as liable to push the red button as any other world leader with a red button to push. Very likely he's more so.

One question. Will America also give up its nuclear weapons?

[TitoFan]

We got the gamut of reactions on this. From it's fake news don't believe it.... to NK isn't really a threat.... to the U.S. is the devil and NK shouldn't be feared.

The reality of the situation is that the U.S. is attempting to use different means to get NK to give up its nuclear armament program. Nothing wrong with that. The less nuke-ready nations in the world the better. Especially when dealing with nations with borderline unhinged leaders. I believe NK pretty much qualifies under that criteria.

Verification should be the cornerstone of any agreement. It's like buying a house or a car. Hopefully you'll want to take a look at it first before deciding to buy. Anything short of that, or any excuses offered as to why that can't happen is usually a sign that the other part is hiding something. Yes.... you can take a look at the house, but you can't go into the basement. Yeah... right.

As wacky as Trump can seem on occasion, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that IMO Jong-Un has got him beat in that regard. He just doesn't strike me as the stable, world leader I'd bet my house on. He's just as liable to push the red button as any other world leader with a red button to push. Very likely he's more so.

One question. Will America also give up its nuclear weapons?

Was that a serious question?

You obviously didn't read my post, so I'll regurgitate it again.

In the overall scheme of things..... who is most likely to push the red button and start a nuclear holocaust?

The U.S.? With its 325 million people and its system of checks and balances? With everything to lose and nothing to gain?

Or North Korea.... with NOTHING to lose. With a dictator (yes... that's the correct word) with several personality disorders, who holds a Hollywood-type facade in front of his people to where they all seem like the Korean version of Stepford wives.

Why should the U.S., one of the accepted world powers for many decades, give up its nuclear weapons just so NK will do the same? Is Russia also going to give up ITS nukes? Is China?

I'm afraid you're comparing apples to oranges here. No.... scratch that. You're comparing apples to aircraft carriers.

North Korea should concentrate on its own economy, on the well-being of its people, you know....... meaningless shit like that. People can't eat or drink nuclear missiles.

[El Kabong]

At the end of the day what is the problem? Is it Kim Jong Un? Is it there being a North Korea? I mean shit I think most everyone would be happy if there was only 1 Korea, 1 Korea would be Best Korea IMO....but from 1950 until Trump became President it's been tough, we've seen the most progress in the relationships between North Korea, South Korea, and the United States in that time. In that time the Korean War, the one started in 1950, was FINALLY ended, American KIA were returned home, drills have slowed if not stopped, missile tests and missile launches have stopped.


So why the rush to "OMG shit's going to hit the fan very soon?"



I think things have been going alright. We'll see where things go, but I for one don't think Lil Kim is going to say "Well I've finally be treated like a big boy....let's blow this joint" it makes no sense to me from America's standpoint because it's not like we CAN'T hit them with a KO punch if they did anything dumb and it makes no sense from their perspective either, they have JUST been invited to the adults' table, why would they fuck that up on purpose?


I think it's ok to be concerned about Kim Jong Un, it's ok to keep an eye on them, but I think they're feeling better about how things are going than in the past so I doubt they'll fuck it up, but we'll see.

[goti71]

The US and everyone else have everything to lose while NK doesn't.

BUT the last thing a regime like NK would do, with its elite living like kings (or like gods while their people are gaunt and low average IQ), would be to start getting serious with nukes. Because that's when all those fancy countries —with their comfortable stabilities— would have absolutely nothing to lose. Not a good move by North Korea.

The best option would be to just let it die a natural death (like Franco in spain). Because imagine if we did take out this Kim Jong Un (sniper on a roof? Poison? A "small" nuke?); who'se going to deal with a massive flood of hungry unskilled North Koreans the next day?

It's basically a regime holding several million people hostage and I don't think it really is a danger to anyone (not to downplay how horrible it is for their people). Swat teams can handle hostage situations easily, but nobody is interested in a shootout.

[Gandalf]

Tito, I will once again say that it is a very poorly thought out question. North Korea has no track record in recent decades of invading countries or making more than belligerent statements on state TV (akin to the CNN you hold dear actually). They are not a threat to the US. They are a threat to SK and likewise SK is a threat to them thus peaceful moves have and are being made.

A thread like this is a bit random and clearly induced by you being manipulated by your media. Calm down and think things through. Right at this very moment progress is being made. Nothing needs to be done about NK. If you want to go agead and take out Baba Booey then go ahead, but otherwise stop virtue signalling based on very little.

[Gandalf]

North Koreans are poor but they do not have low IQ's. That is something I have had people in the UK say and I have had to point out that when it comes to intelligence the average Asian is smarter than they are. The people are propagandised but they go to school and learn much as anywhere else. All East Asian countries have very high IQ's.

[TitoFan]

Tito, I will once again say that it is a very poorly thought out question. North Korea has no track record in recent decades of invading countries or making more than belligerent statements on state TV (akin to the CNN you hold dear actually). They are not a threat to the US. They are a threat to SK and likewise SK is a threat to them thus peaceful moves have and are being made.

A thread like this is a bit random and clearly induced by you being manipulated by your media. Calm down and think things through. Right at this very moment progress is being made. Nothing needs to be done about NK. If you want to go agead and take out Baba Booey then go ahead, but otherwise stop virtue signalling based on very little.

North Korea has no track record of invading countries Miles, because they can't. They know they'll be beaten down like a red-headed stepchild. I think you're the one who should think this through a bit. Having nukes is sort of the "equalizer" in the global stage. When you rule over a country that depends on repression and make-belief to put on a happy face to the outside world, you need something that will take people's minds off their own troubles and galvanize them against "The Enemy." You also need something you can use as a bargaining chip to try and get a seat at the table.

But of course you'll blab about media manipulation, virtue signalling, blah, blah, blah. You sound like a broken record, Miles. But since you mentioned media manipulation, I'll be kind enough to put this out there, so you can tell us how it's all made up of doctored pictures and made up shit.... just to manipulate us sheep.


https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/nor...-space-photos/


In all honesty Miles, I couldn't give less of a flying one about Kim Jong-Un. As long as he stays in his cage and doesn't threaten this side of the world, he can do what he wants in NK. He can put on his charades, and march his people out for Stepford Wives photographs so the outside world can see how much of a "paradise" NK is. After all, appearances are 90% of the game, right?

A word of advice for you would be to drop that Gibraltar-sized chip on your shoulder regarding the Evil American Empire. You sound as if all invasions and bombings in history have been perpetrated by the Evil Empire. It is such a tired, skewed, and outdated view of the world. Not that I'll ever convince you..... but just a friendly suggestion.

[Gandalf]

Now I would of course like to add that I am not seriously suggesting that Puerto Rico should be invaded. Irony tends to get lost in translation, but I am suggesting that America has its own problems and that NK which the media is daily talking about here is not causing any new problems. Unlike Tits I do not see the need to assassinate anyone, but then again I seldom urinate on corpses either. Each to their own I guess.

Puerto Rican debt levels are obviously a far more significant concern than nukes that have never been used on anyone and which are owned by many nations and similarly unused. All things considered NK is a bizarre thing to be waffling on about.