Should Wilder prove that he broke his arm?

[Fenster]

The count was great as was not stopping it immediately. My issue was with Fury being given 13 seconds to hug the ref and jog around. It should be 'Are you okay?' 'Yes'. 'Fight'. Should be a couple of seconds rather than the time of another count and a half.

You can’t legislate for every second after a boxer gets back up from being knocked down. There are numerous things that a boxer can do to delay the contest from re-starting which the ref should be aware of to stop.

The main point was Fury got up and fought back hard. The couple of seconds really made no difference.

12-13 seconds is a long time AFTER the count has already happened. It should be a nod, arms held in front, and fight. Should be a couple of seconds. If the legs are not there then Fury goes down again. As long as the eyes are clear there is no reason for a jog to test the legs. The count was perfect, the extra time what I deem questionable.

He followed the california state athletic commission rules to a tee.

Read the rules - https://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/stats_re...ch1a8-10.shtml

[ruthless rocco]

The count was great as was not stopping it immediately. My issue was with Fury being given 13 seconds to hug the ref and jog around. It should be 'Are you okay?' 'Yes'. 'Fight'. Should be a couple of seconds rather than the time of another count and a half.

You can’t legislate for every second after a boxer gets back up from being knocked down. There are numerous things that a boxer can do to delay the contest from re-starting which the ref should be aware of to stop.

The main point was Fury got up and fought back hard. The couple of seconds really made no difference.

12-13 seconds is a long time AFTER the count has already happened. It should be a nod, arms held in front, and fight. Should be a couple of seconds. If the legs are not there then Fury goes down again. As long as the eyes are clear there is no reason for a jog to test the legs. The count was perfect, the extra time what I deem questionable.

He followed the california state athletic commission rules to a tee.

Read the rules - https://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/stats_re...ch1a8-10.shtml

It’s nice to have someone responding with FACTS rather than self-fabricated opinions.

[Spicoli]

Shame Wilder doesn't have Don King around to lobby for phony law suits and long counts. King knew how to at least present flimsy outrage and distracting bullshat properly. Fact is..they got up intact and rendered it void and a non issue after all . Hindsight being 20-20 sure. If you want to flawlessly count seconds go bake a cake. Just think it's a silly argument.

On the arm if you're going that far out than you can expect to be called on it. Again, it's your own responsibility and professionalism, career and health on the line. Wilder none the less seems pretty injury prone as far as wrists and hands. Hope he heals up properly

[ryanman]

Having a read of the California State Athletic Commission rules @Fenster posted I noticed there are some subtle but important differences with the rules of other bodies.
The CSAC rules leave much more room to interpretation about what is 'down' and the counting process generally.

The BBBofC rules, for example, regarding the issue of when the count is beat are quite clear -

3.32.1 In this Regulation 3.32, “down” shall mean one or more of the following:-
(a) when a Boxer falls from the boxing ring beyond the ring apron as a result of a legitimate blow; or
(b) when a Boxer is on one foot or both feet and at the same time any other part of his body is touching the floor of the boxing ring; or
(c) when a Boxer is supported on the ropes of the boxing ring and, in the opinion of the Referee, is unable to defend himself; or
(d) when a Boxer is in the act of rising

and in all of the above cases, a Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself.



So when I said earlier that that video actually shows Fury not beating the count, it seems I was applying BBBofC (and others) rules, ie that just being upright by 10 does not mean you beat the count.

If we aren't talking about beating the count, but rather the amount of time taken after the count, the CSAC say "If the boxer who is down arises before the count of ten, the referee shall evaluate his or her ability to continue. If assured that the boxer who has just arisen is fit to continue, the referee shall without loss of time, order both boxers to go on with the contest".

'Without loss of time" there seems ambiguous. But I think most would see the couple of seconds given to assess Fury as being perfectly reasonable.

Either way, I think its a non-issue. It was right that the fight continued.

[Gandalf]

Fenster, I am not sure you have proven a point there. You have made me read a lot of information and not be particularly convinced that 13 seconds extra time....beyond the count (which was fine)....is fine. It was too long and many have commented on that. A handful of seconds should have sufficed.

Either way, the fight is what it was and a draw is what we have, so I accept that along with the decision. Every fight has something a bit different.

[Fenster]

Fenster, I am not sure you have proven a point there. You have made me read a lot of information and not be particularly convinced that 13 seconds extra time....beyond the count (which was fine)....is fine. It was too long and many have commented on that. A handful of seconds should have sufficed.

Either way, the fight is what it was and a draw is what we have, so I accept that along with the decision. Every fight has something a bit different.

The point is he followed the rules to a tee. I understand you don't agree with the time it took before Wilder was allowed to punch Fury again, you would have loved the old days, brutal, and as @ryanman pointed out under British rules it looks like Fury should have been counted out (I was surprsied he didn't waive it off originally). But all different commissions have slightly different rules, even down to the wrapping of hands and whether or not corners can stop fights.

[Gandalf]

Fenster, I am not sure you have proven a point there. You have made me read a lot of information and not be particularly convinced that 13 seconds extra time....beyond the count (which was fine)....is fine. It was too long and many have commented on that. A handful of seconds should have sufficed.

Either way, the fight is what it was and a draw is what we have, so I accept that along with the decision. Every fight has something a bit different.

The point is he followed the rules to a tee. I understand you don't agree with the time it took before Wilder was allowed to punch Fury again, you would have loved the old days, brutal, and as @ryanman pointed out under British rules it looks like Fury should have been counted out (I was surprsied he didn't waive it off originally). But all different commissions have slightly different rules, even down to the wrapping of hands and whether or not corners can stop fights.

Yes, I am a classicist. I am glad they didn't stop it though, that was proper.