Today in Trump

[Kirkland Laing]

I believe their problem and the problem would seem to be Trumps complete denial and refusal to take a stand in the first place. Initially he showed some spine or taking a moral stand and the next he's boiling it all down to a price tag about weapon systems, a false amount also apparently. We should not tolerate being mislead by repugnant thugs and renowned murders. People argue well they've done so much worse..but here they are again doing it and we shrug our shoulders and stick out fingers in our ears refusing to listen to fellow party leaders, Intelligence findings and literal texts and audio evidence. I mean Bolton with "I don't want to listen because I don't speak Arabic" . What is the actual flying fook is that shat! I think it's another case of given ground and coddling very bad operators. And it will come back on us, it always does.

And it was Defense Secretary James Mattis not Kelly, my bad. He was short on specifics but if we put 2 and 2 together do we get 5. Mattis goes on with "There is no doubt the relationship has worsened. He tried again to muck around in our elections this last month,". "We are seeing a continued effort around those lines." I would have liked to see Trump stand up at the G 20 and at the very least look Putin in the eye and acknowledge what Putin did with the ships and sailors of Crimea or the mucking around. But..nothing. Zilch on a public stage. He couldn't turn his back get out of their fast enough, be bigger than his personal grievances and it's unfortunate. And that high five bro hug with the Saudi prince and Putin as he comes in shuffling in the background? They might as well have their middle fingers firmly planted on the Presidents forehead. I don't like it.

Celebrating ownership of America's president.

[Kirkland Laing]

I believe their problem and the problem would seem to be Trumps complete denial and refusal to take a stand in the first place. Initially he showed some spine or taking a moral stand and the next he's boiling it all down to a price tag about weapon systems, a false amount also apparently. We should not tolerate being mislead by repugnant thugs and renowned murders. People argue well they've done so much worse..but here they are again doing it and we shrug our shoulders and stick out fingers in our ears refusing to listen to fellow party leaders, Intelligence findings and literal texts and audio evidence. I mean Bolton with "I don't want to listen because I don't speak Arabic" . What is the actual flying fook is that shat! I think it's another case of given ground and coddling very bad operators. And it will come back on us, it always does.

And it was Defense Secretary James Mattis not Kelly, my bad. He was short on specifics but if we put 2 and 2 together do we get 5. Mattis goes on with "There is no doubt the relationship has worsened. He tried again to muck around in our elections this last month,". "We are seeing a continued effort around those lines." I would have liked to see Trump stand up at the G 20 and at the very least look Putin in the eye and acknowledge what Putin did with the ships and sailors of Crimea or the mucking around. But..nothing. Zilch on a public stage. He couldn't turn his back get out of their fast enough, be bigger than his personal grievances and it's unfortunate. And that high five bro hug with the Saudi prince as he comes in shuffling in the background? They might as well have their middle fingers firmly planted on the Presidents forehead. I don't like it.

OK I guess you'll have to school me as to where you individually draw the line on which nation. Saudi Arabia has a new leader, a new leader who just entered into a deal to buy arms from the US (ABOVE BOARD...an absolutely brand new concept for them) and they happen to also have had a reporter murdered. OK, we could say "Hey Saudi Arabia fuck you and we're not doing business with you ever again!" or we could be more nuanced in our approach seeing how there's no lack of business partners waiting to get that Saudi $$$$$ including our direct rivals Russia and China....would you want us to hurt ourselves AND help our enemies AND alienate a new leader in a nation which COULD be steered into the right direction? I think most situations at that level have a lot more moving parts than you or I could deal with...now you can sit here and SAY "I would have done this! And they can just fuck right off!!!" but actually doing it would likely have negative repercussions on you and your White House. Now I'm not saying "Give them a slap on the wrist and let them go" I'm more of the mind to leverage the power they've just given you by getting caught doing stupid shit...but I guess that's just me, i guess I'm alone in that.


So you want IMMEDIATE vengeance? Isn't that how the Iraq War part 2 started? I mean there's "gee I wish something would happen like this" and then there's reality...let Putin and Muhammad Bin Salman do their bro hug and whatever...there will be a time and a place when Trump will act. But I guess it's not good enough.


I guess Trump doesn't know what he's doing, he called Kim Jong Un "Little Rocket Man" and it was OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!

Trump meets with Kim Jong Un and helps end the Korean War and it's OH MY GOD HOW COULD HE MEET WITH THAT TERRIBLE DICTATOR!!!!

He's damned if he does he's damned if he doesn't at the end of that people were seemingly disappointed the Korean War didn't heat back up and it's the same shit with Putin. What the fuck do you want Trump to do to the man in public? Punch him? Give him a wedgie? If he did people would go back to the OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! stance but now, Trump is standing firm with Putin, he's said he's not happy with how things in Crimea are being handled...but it takes a delicate touch, unless of course we want a shooting war with Russia, you want that? I don't much care for the idea, I wouldn't back down from it, but I don't see it as being in our best interests as a nation to do that.

Saudi weapon buying is a tiny insignificant amount of money for the US. Not only that, the US has the power over Saudi in the arms buying relationship. Should the US withdraw support and mantenance for existing Saudi weapons systems they'd be defenceless in a couple of weeks. It would take them 25 years at current expenditures to replace their weapons systems with those of other countries and they wouldn't be as good. And Saudi can't afford to do it even if they wanted. They're now spending more than they're earning and are currently due to blow through their entire capital reserves in six years. They just can't afford an entire about turn on their arms buying.

Saudi clearly have something on Trump. We may be find out what it is via the Mueller investigation.

[Kirkland Laing]

https://www.heritage.org/election-in...0-proven-cases

Nobody ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist. What Democrats are saying is that the kind of voter fraud that GOP voter ID laws are supposedly there to prevent, in person voter fraud, basically doesn't exist. Forty four cases this century out of over a billion votes. As far as absentee ballot voting fraud and other fraud goes then there are more examples. Picking a state at random I see they're including voter registration fraud which isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Even then they only find less than two thousand examples over a couple of decades which is basically nothing at all. The current North Carolina case might be bigger than all of them put together.

Meanwhile voter suppression is in the millions. If you're really concerned about the democratic process then you should be outraged at voter suppression. One example:

https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298

[Kirkland Laing]

[walrus]

https://www.heritage.org/election-in...0-proven-cases

Nobody ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist. What Democrats are saying is that the kind of voter fraud that GOP voter ID laws are supposedly there to prevent, in person voter fraud, basically doesn't exist. Forty four cases this century out of over a billion votes. As far as absentee ballot voting fraud and other fraud goes then there are more examples. Picking a state at random I see they're including voter registration fraud which isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Even then they only find less than two thousand examples over a couple of decades which is basically nothing at all. The current North Carolina case might be bigger than all of them put together.

Meanwhile voter suppression is in the millions. If you're really concerned about the democratic process then you should be outraged at voter suppression. One example:

https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298

Oh yeah Kirk we need to show ID for beer and cigarettes. Voter ID laws are horribly racist. Some races are too dumb to get a free ID. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If u don’t have ID you shouldn’t vote. Identity theft is enough of an issue here. I don’t want anyone taking my vote

[Kirkland Laing]

https://www.heritage.org/election-in...0-proven-cases

Nobody ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist. What Democrats are saying is that the kind of voter fraud that GOP voter ID laws are supposedly there to prevent, in person voter fraud, basically doesn't exist. Forty four cases this century out of over a billion votes. As far as absentee ballot voting fraud and other fraud goes then there are more examples. Picking a state at random I see they're including voter registration fraud which isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Even then they only find less than two thousand examples over a couple of decades which is basically nothing at all. The current North Carolina case might be bigger than all of them put together.

Meanwhile voter suppression is in the millions. If you're really concerned about the democratic process then you should be outraged at voter suppression. One example:

https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298

Oh yeah Kirk we need to show ID for beer and cigarettes. Voter ID laws are horribly racist. Some races are too dumb to get a free ID. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If u don’t have ID you shouldn’t vote. Identity theft is enough of an issue here. I don’t want anyone taking my vote

You've got more chance of getting struck by lightning while riding a unicorn than getting your vote stolen. You're ignoring the millions of votes stolen via voter suppression tactics. You don't want to reply to that, do you?

You or the other idiot made the same claim that voter ID laws aren't aimed at suppressing votes. I replied with a whole bunch of links of Republican politicians admitting they were. Here are a couple, can't be bothered t dig up any more.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...mney-win-state

https://thinkprogress.org/florida-re...-f2954f7635d0/

[walrus]

https://www.heritage.org/election-in...0-proven-cases

Nobody ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist. What Democrats are saying is that the kind of voter fraud that GOP voter ID laws are supposedly there to prevent, in person voter fraud, basically doesn't exist. Forty four cases this century out of over a billion votes. As far as absentee ballot voting fraud and other fraud goes then there are more examples. Picking a state at random I see they're including voter registration fraud which isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Even then they only find less than two thousand examples over a couple of decades which is basically nothing at all. The current North Carolina case might be bigger than all of them put together.

Meanwhile voter suppression is in the millions. If you're really concerned about the democratic process then you should be outraged at voter suppression. One example:

https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298

Oh yeah Kirk we need to show ID for beer and cigarettes. Voter ID laws are horribly racist. Some races are too dumb to get a free ID. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If u don’t have ID you shouldn’t vote. Identity theft is enough of an issue here. I don’t want anyone taking my vote

You've got more chance of getting struck by lightning while riding a unicorn than getting your vote stolen. You're ignoring the millions of votes stolen via voter suppression tactics. You don't want to reply to that, do you?

You or the other idiot made the same claim that voter ID laws aren't aimed at suppressing votes. I replied with a whole bunch of links of Republican politicians admitting they were. Here are a couple, can't be bothered t dig up any more.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...mney-win-state

https://thinkprogress.org/florida-re...-f2954f7635d0/

Dude u are an idiot. I don’t care what the chances are. Explain to me how showing an ID at voting polls is racist. Don’t put up links I could put up fifty links saying it isn’t. Use ur common sense and tell me why I need ID for taxes and everything else but not voting.

[Gandalf]

You need ID to vote out here. That is not racist. It is a requirement for everyone. Why on earth would you not need ID? Voting is important.

[walrus]

You need ID to vote out here. That is not racist. It is a requirement for everyone. Why on earth would you not need ID? Voting is important.

It is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Certain news articles state it is racist towards African Americans. Isn’t that a racist statement? Wtf if u r low income u can get a free ID. Every area has a dept of motor vehicles where the biggest pain in the ass is waiting inline to take a photo then wait ten minutes for them to finish the process. What only white republicans can do that. Ok here is another example. If u have an interaction with the police, in most areas if u can’t produce ID you can be detained until they figure out who u are. That is a touchy subject, I don’t agree with it but it is how it is. If I am pulled over driving without my ID I will be given an expensive fine. If I want to go into certain buildings I must produce ID or I will be sent on my way. Sure the ID thing can be annoying but annoyance is not racist

Isn’t the whole thing about equality?

[Gandalf]

By law I am required to carry ID at all times. Again, I do not see the issue. Everyone here has a national ID card issued too. America sounds weird sometimes.

[walrus]

By law I am required to carry ID at all times. Again, I do not see the issue. Everyone here has a national ID card issued too. America sounds weird sometimes.

We are miles and half the time I can’t figure it out. If you have any further questions please ask the American expert Kirkland he can explain it to u

[Kirkland Laing]

https://www.heritage.org/election-in...0-proven-cases

Nobody ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist. What Democrats are saying is that the kind of voter fraud that GOP voter ID laws are supposedly there to prevent, in person voter fraud, basically doesn't exist. Forty four cases this century out of over a billion votes. As far as absentee ballot voting fraud and other fraud goes then there are more examples. Picking a state at random I see they're including voter registration fraud which isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Even then they only find less than two thousand examples over a couple of decades which is basically nothing at all. The current North Carolina case might be bigger than all of them put together.

Meanwhile voter suppression is in the millions. If you're really concerned about the democratic process then you should be outraged at voter suppression. One example:

https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/s...34226909495298

Oh yeah Kirk we need to show ID for beer and cigarettes. Voter ID laws are horribly racist. Some races are too dumb to get a free ID. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If u don’t have ID you shouldn’t vote. Identity theft is enough of an issue here. I don’t want anyone taking my vote

You've got more chance of getting struck by lightning while riding a unicorn than getting your vote stolen. You're ignoring the millions of votes stolen via voter suppression tactics. You don't want to reply to that, do you?

You or the other idiot made the same claim that voter ID laws aren't aimed at suppressing votes. I replied with a whole bunch of links of Republican politicians admitting they were. Here are a couple, can't be bothered t dig up any more.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...mney-win-state

https://thinkprogress.org/florida-re...-f2954f7635d0/

Dude u are an idiot. I don’t care what the chances are. Explain to me how showing an ID at voting polls is racist. Don’t put up links I could put up fifty links saying it isn’t. Use ur common sense and tell me why I need ID for taxes and everything else but not voting.

I'm just telling you what Republican politicians themselves have to say about voter ID laws. From the horse's mouth.

Here's the Supreme Court on GOP vote suppression:



The U.S. Supreme Court has once again declined to reinstate North Carolina's strict voter ID law, which was struck down last year after a court ruled it was intentionally designed to stop African-Americans from voting.
The nation's highest court refused to consider an appeal by North Carolina Republicans, NPR's Pam Fessler reports.


"Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that the court's refusal to consider an appeal did not signify an opinion on the merits of the case," Fessler says.
It's not the first time the Supreme Court has considered an appeal over the voter ID law, which was one of the country's strictest. It was put in place after the Supreme Court struck down a key provision of the Voting Rights Act, clearing the way for states with a history of discrimination to craft new voting laws without federal oversight.



In its ruling, the appeals court said the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people. North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," the court said.
The state appealed to the Supreme Court, which refused to reinstate the law in time for elections.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...=1544467478455

Once again if you really card about the democratic process you'd be outraged at the actual millions of Democratic voters disenfranchised by Republican fuckery. But you don't care about that at all, all you're interested in is attempting to justify actions that are unjustifiable.

[Kirkland Laing]

By law I am required to carry ID at all times. Again, I do not see the issue. Everyone here has a national ID card issued too. America sounds weird sometimes.

The Democrats have offered to have a national ID card system linked to a comprehensive voter database with everybody registered to vote. That offer and similar offers have been on the table for decades. But the GOP refuse to do any of them because they're not interested in doing anything other than suppressing millions of Democratic votes. The GOP laws are specifically, or in the phrasing of the Supreme Court, "surgically" targeted to suppress African American and Democratic votes.

[Kirkland Laing]

You need ID to vote out here. That is not racist. It is a requirement for everyone. Why on earth would you not need ID? Voting is important.

It is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Certain news articles state it is racist towards African Americans. Isn’t that a racist statement? Wtf if u r low income u can get a free ID. Every area has a dept of motor vehicles where the biggest pain in the ass is waiting inline to take a photo then wait ten minutes for them to finish the process. What only white republicans can do that. Ok here is another example. If u have an interaction with the police, in most areas if u can’t produce ID you can be detained until they figure out who u are. That is a touchy subject, I don’t agree with it but it is how it is. If I am pulled over driving without my ID I will be given an expensive fine. If I want to go into certain buildings I must produce ID or I will be sent on my way. Sure the ID thing can be annoying but annoyance is not racist

Isn’t the whole thing about equality?

It's not "certain news articles". It's a whole bunch of Republican politicians and elected officials and all the various levels of the judicial system up to and including the Supreme Court. It's your own side admitting to being a bunch of antidemocratic racists. After the civil war, Jim Crow, the civil rights era there is still a widespread movement to prevent black people having the vote and is absolutely fucking disgusting matey. It really is sickening. At long last you should show some decency.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm not the one who thought all hundred Senate seats were up for election! You were!

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...48#post1503648




Are you actually offering to bet that Mueller will be convicted of something? You're not getting my money and I'm not getting yours. The loser sends the money to the charity/ies of the other's choice. How much would you like to bet on this?

OK so the Democrats won OMG the greatest biggest most amazing popular vote EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MAN!!!!! But also failed to win Senate elections.

So enlighten me Kirk, just who exactly votes on Senators? I mean does popular vote not apply to them? You trying to say maybe it's WHERE the Senate seats WERE that made a difference? That it? Then I guess that whole "OMG popular vote so huge!!!!" deal ain't all it's cracked up to be is it?



Fucking whatever Kirkland, you badger me about betting and then you're all "Are ya sure? Are ya super sure?" ....WHAT DO YOU WANT? Choose an amount. I don't fucking care because Mueller's bullshit investigation is just about wrapped up and it won't prove jack shit and after that he'll be charged for his dealings with Uranium 1.

Yes Lyle, that's exactly it! You've got it! This was the most unfavourable Senate map for either party, according to Nate Silver who got the midterm election exactly right, in history. The projections said that even if the Democrats won an eight percent popular vote margin (the biggest in history in a midterm) they would win forty seats in the House and lose four on the Senate which is close to how it worked out.
I keep asking you what you want to bet on and how much you want to bet. I've already told you I'm willing to bet any amount. You need to tell me how much you want to bet and what you want to bet on. I'll give you a thousand to one odds if you want to bet the Mueller will be charged with any criminal offence. I'll bet any amount you want that he won't. Loser pays the other's charity/ies with verifiable receipts.

By the way the court filings from Friday show the investigation won't be wrapping up anytime soon.

Come on Lyle, how much do you want to bet?