Ben Davison - Trainer of the year?

[Memphis]

For what it's worth I agree with the point he's raising. I was looking for Fury to be far more aggressive in a couple of spots during the fight where it looked like he might have Wilder beat.

That said, the way he's done it here is just out of order. I know he's not shy when it comes to slagging off his contemporaries but to do it in such a snide way is really poor form.

He's sounding like a sour old cunt who's pitching to be the main man in the corner. He thought Tyson won so he should have no problem with the way Ben did business. He could have made that point in a positive way rather than a condescending one.

[smashup]

TEARY-EYED Tyson Fury corner man Freddie Roach claims trainer Ben Davison cried in corner during Deontay Wilder fight, criticises young Brit.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...-wilder-fight/

[Primo Carnera]

Unpopular opinion, but I’ve always thought Roach gets a pass and gets away with talking shit because of his Parkinson’s disease.
When Floyd Snr. Kept calling him “Cock Roach” , people felt sorry for Freddie and felt he was kind of being bullied.
In truth, Freddie is a slimey cunt . No reason to put this out in the public domain.

[Ron Swanson]

Unpopular opinion, but I’ve always thought Roach gets a pass and gets away with talking shit because of his Parkinson’s disease.
When Floyd Snr. Kept calling him “Cock Roach” , people felt sorry for Freddie and felt he was kind of being bullied.
In truth, Freddie is a slimey cunt . No reason to put this out in the public domain.

You’re right, and he is a horrible human being.

[Gandalf]

I do not see a problem with what Roach said. If that is how he sees it then so be it. Fury has made no technical progress since coming back and did not win the fight so maybe Roach has a point.

[smashup]

Roach should have said this to Davisons face behind closed doors not behind his back when he's back in the UK on a tv show.
I do agree the Fury should be more aggressive at times but maybe not having that real KO power holds him back mentally?

[Memphis]

I do not see a problem with what Roach said. If that is how he sees it then so be it. Fury has made no technical progress since coming back and did not win the fight so maybe Roach has a point.

I can recall umpteen times @Scrap has been asked on here what his thoughts are on other trainers methods. I can also recall each and every time that question was met with the same response. A polite and professional 'I never discuss other peoples business'.

Thinking it and saying it publicly are very different things. It is never acceptable to publicly slag off colleagues and dressing it up as calling it as one sees it is no excuse.

I've said that I agree with what Freddie was saying, but there's always a flip side. There were occasions where Tyson could have been more aggressive, but there were also occasions when he threw one punch too many in a combination and finished it in a poor position to defend himself. That was the greed Ben was talking about and he was spot on.

Tyson is a much much better boxer than Wilder. What technical improvement are you hoping to see?

[Primo Carnera]

I do not see a problem with what Roach said. If that is how he sees it then so be it. Fury has made no technical progress since coming back and did not win the fight so maybe Roach has a point.

I think that’s a bit harsh. The Fury that fought Wilder was (surprisingly to me) many levels above what he looked like against Pianeta.
And you could even say that considering Wilder asked more questions than Wlad, that this was technically better .
Have to say, I never thought I would be saying that.

[Gandalf]

Fury was similar really. He was just in better shape. Technically he was the same as always. Fury knows more about boxing than his trainer and Roach knows more than both of them. When you have trained Toney and Pac you have seen it all. If Roach thinks mistakes were made then so be it. It's up to him where and how he says it. No need for any tears.