Canelo-Jacobs / May 4th Las Vegas / WHO WINS (poll)

[ykdadamaja]

Jacobs by late TKO or KO.... 9, 10 or 11....

[powerpuncher]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

[TitoFan]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

You'd think so, right? But as you said..... Canelo's locked into a contract where he's already guaranteed tons of money. Now he's in a win-win. His money is secure..... AND.... he doesn't have to abandon his "protect the 0" strategy. Putting Canelo and "risk" in the same sentence is pretty much of an oxymoron. Yeah, so he finally caved and agreed to face GGG when the pressure became too great for him to avoid it anymore, but how did he follow that up? By picking off easy prey Fielding with the added bonus of winning another useless division title. Kudos to him and his Marination Team for surprisingly agreeing to face Jacobs.... but don't expect Canelo to all of a sudden turn "risk-taker", the total opposite of how he's built his career.

[powerpuncher]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

You'd think so, right? But as you said..... Canelo's locked into a contract where he's already guaranteed tons of money. Now he's in a win-win. His money is secure..... AND.... he doesn't have to abandon his "protect the 0" strategy. Putting Canelo and "risk" in the same sentence is pretty much of an oxymoron. Yeah, so he finally caved and agreed to face GGG when the pressure became too great for him to avoid it anymore, but how did he follow that up? By picking off easy prey Fielding with the added bonus of winning another useless division title. Kudos to him and his Marination Team for surprisingly agreeing to face Jacobs.... but don't expect Canelo to all of a sudden turn "risk-taker", the total opposite of how he's built his career.

But he can turn around a ton of hate if he starts fighting the best. If he beats Jacobs and then GGG convincingly then his career really takes a turn. Then if he could somehow start beating people at 168 he could solidify his position as an ATG. Fortunately for him though, he has nothing to lose because if he really goes for it and loses multiple fights, he still gets all of that money and be able to say he didn’t avoid the best. Basically the money allows him to face whoever he wants without any financial consequences.

[Fenster]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

I'm pretty certain the contract doesn't quite work like that, it's based on performance and ratings. So he can't fight 10 Rocky Fieldings to steal the money, because obviously the big names like Jacobs bring in the subscribers, and at the same time if he suffers a bunch of bad losses his drawing power disappears. It's worth hundreds of millions but not guaranteed.

[powerpuncher]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

I'm pretty certain the contract doesn't quite work like that, it's based on performance and ratings. So he can't fight 10 Rocky Fieldings to steal the money, because obviously the big names like Jacobs bring in the subscribers, and at the same time if he suffers a bunch of bad losses his drawing power disappears. It's worth hundreds of millions but not guaranteed.

Is it not guaranteed? Maybe it’s not, but I never heard anything that it wasn’t

[Fenster]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

I'm pretty certain the contract doesn't quite work like that, it's based on performance and ratings. So he can't fight 10 Rocky Fieldings to steal the money, because obviously the big names like Jacobs bring in the subscribers, and at the same time if he suffers a bunch of bad losses his drawing power disappears. It's worth hundreds of millions but not guaranteed.

Is it not guaranteed? Maybe it’s not, but I never heard anything that it wasn’t

I highly doubt they paid him $365 million to bank, let alone without any say in his competition, that would be insane. For one, the deal came with Oscar providing 12 shows a year (basically they signed the GB stable) and Canelo's pay is based on subscribers, so he can make more than $33 million per fight (the minimum divvy up).

There's no way Canelo suffers a couple of bad losses then carries on banking $33 million per fight year after year against any Tom, Dick or Rocky. Just the same as there's no way he got that money without DAZN having the final say on his op. All networks have power over what matches they'll accept.

[TitoFan]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

I'm pretty certain the contract doesn't quite work like that, it's based on performance and ratings. So he can't fight 10 Rocky Fieldings to steal the money, because obviously the big names like Jacobs bring in the subscribers, and at the same time if he suffers a bunch of bad losses his drawing power disappears. It's worth hundreds of millions but not guaranteed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#6aebffde24ad



I don't get much into the contract side of boxing, but from it says here it would appear Canelo's minimum is guaranteed, regardless of opposition.

(from the article)
"Per a DAZN representative that I spoke to, the deal is worth a minimum of $365 million. Traditionally, Alvarez would be able to earn above and beyond his minimum purses based on pay-per-view buys and a percentage of the live gate from his fights. In this deal without a pay-per-view model, Alvarez will have other opportunities to earn above the base. There are escalators, but terms of those incentives were specified."


He can earn above that based on PPV and live gate numbers. Also, I don't think with Canelo you need "big names like Jacobs" to bring in subscribers. That assumption would apply to anyone else in boxing, but not Canelo. Canelo could literally fight Joe Blow dragged from the corner bar, and still bring in his own legion of loyal subscribers. Maybe if he did that like 5 or 6 times in a row, his fan base could foreseeably get a little restless..... but it's known fact that NOBODY in boxing gets as much slack as Canelo.

[Fenster]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

I'm pretty certain the contract doesn't quite work like that, it's based on performance and ratings. So he can't fight 10 Rocky Fieldings to steal the money, because obviously the big names like Jacobs bring in the subscribers, and at the same time if he suffers a bunch of bad losses his drawing power disappears. It's worth hundreds of millions but not guaranteed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#6aebffde24ad



I don't get much into the contract side of boxing, but from it says here it would appear Canelo's minimum is guaranteed, regardless of opposition.

(from the article)
"Per a DAZN representative that I spoke to, the deal is worth a minimum of $365 million. Traditionally, Alvarez would be able to earn above and beyond his minimum purses based on pay-per-view buys and a percentage of the live gate from his fights. In this deal without a pay-per-view model, Alvarez will have other opportunities to earn above the base. There are escalators, but terms of those incentives were specified."


He can earn above that based on PPV and live gate numbers. Also, I don't think with Canelo you need "big names like Jacobs" to bring in subscribers. That assumption would apply to anyone else in boxing, but not Canelo. Canelo could literally fight Joe Blow dragged from the corner bar, and still bring in his own legion of loyal subscribers. Maybe if he did that like 5 or 6 times in a row, his fan base could foreseeably get a little restless..... but it's known fact that NOBODY in boxing gets as much slack as Canelo.

Yeah that's what I said about Canelo's deal. However, he doesn't have PPV anymore, that's the whole point, but he still needs to generate huge ratings (subscribers) to beat his minimum purse ($33 million).

He'll be making a lot more for Jacobs than Fielding, like he made a lot more against Golovkin ($50 million+) than Liam Smith (both HBO PPV).

Nobody in the history of boxing can suffer bad losses yet maintain their stardom/ratings. Just look at the current Manny Pac? The PPV with Broner is estimated as a success with 400,000 buys, he used to consistently do a million.

[Fenster]

Guys, to make my point more understandable, what if Canelo got a career ending injury in his next fight? Or fails to meet his 11 fight, 5 year, contract? If he has $365 million banked he could never fight again due to all sorts of circumstances, so it's a little more complex than they reveal in press releases.

If I managed Canelo we certainly wouldn't be fighting Jacobs with 9 fights left to honour

[Kirkland Laing]

Guys, to make my point more understandable, what if Canelo got a career ending injury in his next fight? Or fails to meet his 11 fight, 5 year, contract? If he has $365 million banked he could never fight again due to all sorts of circumstances, so it's a little more complex than they reveal in press releases.

If I managed Canelo we certainly wouldn't be fighting Jacobs with 9 fights left to honour

This is correct. There's no way that money can be guaranteed in boxing. Promoters are not franchises like the Yankees with 81 guaranteed home games a year and guaranteed TV contracts. It's as guaranteed as Eddie Hearn's billion. If the numbers don't get made then there'll be escape clauses in the contracts. DAZN might not even exist in a couple of years.

[TitoFan]

I was just thinking, Canelo can now take as much risk as he wants because he is locked in to a contract while making a ton of money. He can lose his next ten fights and he will still make his money. That’s the best situation a fighter can be in. He can take all the risk without having to risk his money.

I'm pretty certain the contract doesn't quite work like that, it's based on performance and ratings. So he can't fight 10 Rocky Fieldings to steal the money, because obviously the big names like Jacobs bring in the subscribers, and at the same time if he suffers a bunch of bad losses his drawing power disappears. It's worth hundreds of millions but not guaranteed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#6aebffde24ad



I don't get much into the contract side of boxing, but from it says here it would appear Canelo's minimum is guaranteed, regardless of opposition.

(from the article)
"Per a DAZN representative that I spoke to, the deal is worth a minimum of $365 million. Traditionally, Alvarez would be able to earn above and beyond his minimum purses based on pay-per-view buys and a percentage of the live gate from his fights. In this deal without a pay-per-view model, Alvarez will have other opportunities to earn above the base. There are escalators, but terms of those incentives were specified."


He can earn above that based on PPV and live gate numbers. Also, I don't think with Canelo you need "big names like Jacobs" to bring in subscribers. That assumption would apply to anyone else in boxing, but not Canelo. Canelo could literally fight Joe Blow dragged from the corner bar, and still bring in his own legion of loyal subscribers. Maybe if he did that like 5 or 6 times in a row, his fan base could foreseeably get a little restless..... but it's known fact that NOBODY in boxing gets as much slack as Canelo.

Yeah that's what I said about Canelo's deal. However, he doesn't have PPV anymore, that's the whole point, but he still needs to generate huge ratings (subscribers) to beat his minimum purse ($33 million).

He'll be making a lot more for Jacobs than Fielding, like he made a lot more against Golovkin ($50 million+) than Liam Smith (both HBO PPV).

Nobody in the history of boxing can suffer bad losses yet maintain their stardom/ratings. Just look at the current Manny Pac? The PPV with Broner is estimated as a success with 400,000 buys, he used to consistently do a million.

Personally I'd love to see the details of Canelo's contract. I can see the # of subscribers as being the driving force behind any incentives for him to exceed his base (which regardless is still a pretty good base). After all it does come down to money for both DAZN and Canelo. But I would've liked for there to be incentives based on opponents' rankings and such. I'm pretty sure there aren't any, which of course will allow Canelo a lot more slack than with rankings-based incentives.

In actuality, the fact that Canelo is financially set for life many times over with this contract, actually puts a damper on any incentives Canelo may have to fight top-flight, elite opposition on a consistent basis. Why should he? All we can hope for is the occasional "token prod" from the boxing orgs so that it seems like they're "forcing" him to face the best. Especially the WBC, which will protect Canelo's "legacy" and cash cow status.