Is the earth flat?

[Alpha]

You provide more questions than answers, Alpha. You see that, don’t you? Give me a practical demonstration of water adhering to a spherical shape. Give me a practical demonstration of gravity. Give me a practical demonstration of the heliocentric model of the Earth, Sun and Moon.

What about you? Give ME a demonstration of a celestial body circling above a flat plane without any explicable forces keeping it in such a rotation. If the Earth is flat, what is its shape? Please don’t tell me you don’t know or don’t care. Give me alternatives. A sphere is a sphere is a sphere. You can walk around it, sail around it, fly around it. Explain the geometry of the flat Earth. Explain why and what holds the Sun and Moon in their respective circles above the flat Earth. Explain how it’s night and day simultaneously in different parts of the Earth. I’m sorry, but the animations I’ve seen don’t quite cut it. At least with the heliocentric model, gravity explains everything. Gravity holds the atmosphere against the surface of the Earth. Gravity holds the oceans against the surface of the Earth. Gravity holds the Moon in orbit.

Demonstration of gravity? Sorry… fresh out. I can’t conjure up a mass of 5.9 x 10²⁴ kg in order to replicate the effects of gravity. Anything other than that, we’re fooling ourselves. Let’s go back to air pressure again, because you insist on the barrier. And I’m sorry, but the key here is gravity, which you don’t believe in. Gravity is the key to the whole show, I’m afraid. If you WERE to believe in gravity, I would tell you that because gravity holds the atmosphere to the surface of the Earth, the air pressure is greatest at sea level. As you go up in altitude, this pressure gradually decreases, due to the lesser quantity of air molecules present. At some point, you go from zero pressure and cross over into what is known as a partial vacuum, which as you go further into space, becomes a deeper, or stronger vacuum. Why don’t the air molecules in the pressured area drift or move to the lesser pressured area? There’s that dreaded G-word again….. gravity. The force of gravity overcomes the forces that would move the air from a higher pressure area to a lower pressure area. The container, barrier, whatever you want to call it? The surface of the Earth. That is the "wall" the air is pressed up against. I'm sorry... that's the best I can do.

Gravity’s the key to the whole thing. But you don’t believe in it. You believe objects fall to the ground because of density. Tell me… how dense is the Sun and the Moon? Shouldn’t they come crashing down to the surface of the Earth? I can’t think of much denser objects than the Sun, can you?

You see…. If you want to convince round Earthers that they’re wrong, you’ve got to have alternative truths to prove to them. You just can’t say water doesn’t conform to a sphere and expect to leave it at that. A round Earth model needs no “end”…. no “edge”. Again, you can go around it endlessly. If it’s flat, where does it end? That question cannot be left unanswered. Otherwise, you’re just questioning things without an alternative.

The circling of the Sun and Moon is a big deal here. The heliocentric model explains night and day. Flat Earthers models don’t. And if they attempt to, it’s shoddy and unbelievable.

I am questioning the claims of the globe.

I know that the earth is demonstrably level, because of how the natural physics of water work.

I don't know the full dimensions of the earth, because we aren't free to explore it. If we were, I'd be on a plane tomorrow with my friends brother, who is a pilot and we'd be trying to fly directly over the south pole, around to the north pole and back to where we started. But we are restricted in where we can go. All sort of kept in this middle area. I posted a vid awhile back about Antarctica, that went into great detail about the difficulties to even attempt an expedition there.

Why do I need to provide alternatives? I am merely questioning the claims of the globe that have been taught to us. There are some who try to attempt maps and models, but to me it's irrelevant until we are actually allowed to explore this whole thing we are on.

The FE models and maps I have seen, may not work perfectly, possibly due to us not knowing the full dimensions. But in saying that, the heliocentric mode is not without flaws itself. And again it's irrelevant to me, because it doesn't give me anything measurable of the claimed curvature.

We need to believe that water can conform to the exterior of a shape, although the natural physics of water say otherwise.

We need to believe in gravity, although we have never observed it in the natural world, and there are no experiments that can be performed to demonstrate it making water conform to the exterior of a shape or holding a pressurized gas to a shape.

To create pressure you need a sealed container. Think of a gas cylinder or can of deodorant, a gas tank for example. You can't create the pressure with only 1 side. And it needs to be sealed or the gas will escape.

Even at it's lowest pressure the atmosphere will still have a higher energy than the negative of a vacuum. Again, I guess we just have to believe this, as there is no practical demonstration for this happening.

We have to believe the earth is moving, even though no experiment has ever proven that we are.

Seems like they want us to believe a lot. With nothing to actually prove these claims. Basically a religion.

You tell me how dense the Sun and Moon are, I've never been up there to be able to quantify them. They could just be lights of some sort in the sky.

We can't just go around the globe endlessly, as I mentioned, we can circumnavigate west to east and visa versa, but north to south and back around has never been done. And as I said, we a heavily restricted in our exploration. Circumnavigating from north pole to south pole and back around would be the first thing I would attempt, if we were allowed.

Who says there is an edge? Have you been there? You keep bringing it up, just another strawman. I've never been to an edge, but again, we are restrict on where we can go freely. Who's to say it's not an endless plane.

Again, I'm not try to convince anyone. I'm just denying the claims of a globe. Everyone should research and decide for themselves.