Is the earth flat?

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I don't know the full dimensions of the earth, because we aren't free to explore it. If we were, I'd be on a plane tomorrow with my friends brother, who is a pilot and we'd be trying to fly directly over the south pole, around to the north pole and back to where we started. But we are restricted in where we can go. All sort of kept in this middle area. I posted a vid awhile back about Antarctica, that went into great detail about the difficulties to even attempt an expedition there.

Why do you have to circle the globe north to south? A globe is a globe. You can circle it in an infinite number of ways, including around the equator. Also, airline pilots routinely fly over the North Pole on extremely long flights, such as say New York to Hong Kong. There are some FAA restrictions on flights over Antarctica, but it’s not like it hasn’t been done. The restrictions are mostly based on safety considerations. You believe there’s some sort of conspiracy going on there… that’s fine. We disagree.

We need to believe in gravity, although we have never observed it in the natural world, and there are no experiments that can be performed to demonstrate it making water conform to the exterior of a shape or holding a pressurized gas to a shape.

Must be comfortable in that easy chair asking for experiments that prove gravity. Again, I don’t happen to have a 5.9 x 10²⁴ mass in my back pocket with which to experiment. And just like lab experiments wanting to model tidal waves fall a wee bit short of the actual reality…. so would any experiment attempting to prove gravity with pitifully smaller scale models. Differences in scale are a reality, whether accepted by you or not.

To create pressure you need a sealed container. Think of a gas cylinder or can of deodorant, a gas tank for example. You can't create the pressure with only 1 side. And it needs to be sealed or the gas will escape.

Do you dive? If so, you must be aware of water pressure at depths. Tell me… what sort of “sealed container” is the ocean contained in, to be able to exert pressure? Oh…. the container theory only applies to atmospheric air? Ok. You repeatedly dismissed my perfectly clear and understandable explanation about gravity holding the atmosphere against the Earth’s surface, and continue clinging to the “container theory.” Ok.

Seems like they want us to believe a lot. With nothing to actually prove these claims. Basically a religion.

On this I’ll give you some leeway. A religion… yes. But so is the Flat Earthers theories. Too much “black magic”, as I’ve already shown you in previous posts. Nothing provable.

You tell me how dense the Sun and Moon are, I've never been up there to be able to quantify them.

Sun? 1.41 g/cm³
Moon… 3.34 g/cm³

Who says there is an edge? Have you been there? You keep bringing it up, just another strawman. I've never been to an edge, but again, we are restrict on where we can go freely. Who's to say it's not an endless plane.

Again with the "Strawman." It's the popular buzzword on the forum these days… cool. I keep bringing up “the edge” because it’s only natural to think that if we in fact live in a flat world, there must be some dimensions. An endless plane? I find that harder to swallow than your hated globe. But then again, there are tons of things we don’t fully understand. The limits of the universe. The beginning of time. Nothing in science has ever even come close to explaining any of those things. So in our arguing over the Earth, there is also that framework of questions neither of us has answers for.




So we're pretty clear that you're not trying to convince me, and I'm not trying to convince you. But certain things beg to be pointed out, such as the use of double standards when you demand everything be proven, while at the same time accepting you don't know why or how some Flat Earth theories would occur. Another thing to be pointed out which I've done repeatedly is explaining the realities of scale. If you ever watched old Godzilla movies, you'll note that the little cardboard skyscrapers didn't collapse the same way real skyscrapers would collapse.

We need to circumnavigate over the south/ north poles and back again to prove it can be done. We would need to stop at both poles and record the star trails to confirm our locations. It has never been done.

You can model tsunamis. And they have been modeling oceans for years.

We understand how water creates pressure. The pressure is equal on all sides, like how bubbles form in water. Are you claiming our atmosphere is now water (liquid)?

So you have been up there to quantify the sun and moon yourself? Don't think so.

You are right, there must be some dimension to what we're on, but at this stage you and I are restricted from exploring to truly find them out. I'm not claiming it is a endless plane, but there could potentially be more land they are hiding from us. Until we can truly explore, we will never know for sure.

I can prove how water works in this reality.

I can prove that gases need a container, and that if a higher pressure is next to a lower, then the higher pressure will move into the lower one.

There has been no experiment to prove the earths motion.

There is no measurable curvature.

It shouldn't really be that hard to prove the globe, should it?

I'll tell you what, if you do all the ground work, getting all the authorizations, and pay for everything needed for us to be able to attempt a north to south (and back around) circumnavigation, we will need to stop for a few days at both the north and south pole so we can record the star trails, so we can confirm our locations. I will pay for everything else. We can raffle of 3 to 4 other seats, you will make your money back ten fold with this. I will pay for our travel and fuel, food and rations, equipment, everything that we will need to complete the trip. All you need to do is get the authorizations completed for us to do be able to do it. Deal?