Should transgenered people be allowed to box?

[TitoFan]

It's not just twisting it to tear down a case nobody is making. (Brilliantly put) It is including and dragging in posters who haven't even posted in the thread and inventing positions and arguments for them, never made.

No Beanz... ...you hadn't posted. You just "thanked" Swanson for his diametrically opposed view where he rushed to pull the "sexist" fire alarm handle without bothering to think about what is being said.

No wonder Miles rightly accuses you of backing off of statements you've clearly made or positions you've made distinctively clear.

Like I told Fenny..... man up to what you say and do, and everyone will respect you all the more for it.

To be honest if I could have given him a high five, shook his hand or bought him a pint, I would have. You are not really helping yourself shrug off the sexist label by telling people to man up either. I don't know where your hostility is coming from, but the opening post was about a transgender man, so Spicoli was bang on with his description of people wanting to manufacture an argument where there is not one. I am assuming like me you are way too old to box anymore, so what exactly is the problem? Like Ron says if a female boxer does not want to fight a transgender women then I would be quite surprised if they were mandated to do so against their wishes. Every boxer makes this choice, whoever they fight.

You are basically arguing for removing the choice of other people. You brought me into the thread and now you are moaning about me expressing/not expressing my opinion it seems? At this point I have no idea what the fuck you are actually on about. You certainly are not taking the brave stand you think you are. The forum today on International Women's Day could not be any more hostile to women if it tried. I work with female boxers, ring card girls etc and they all have a lot more bottle and frankly 'balls' then a lot of the posturing alpha males strutting their stuff here. It is 2019 for crying out loud. In gyms all over the world, amateur and pro shows, girls and women are dedicating themselves to the noble art with just as much heart and soul as the men and boys, and yet here they are still seen as a novelty.

I haven't backed off anything I have said, whatever Miles may claim. The fact that Ron, who works with fighters every day, is able to make a reasoned and sensible, nuanced series of points without resorting to the bloody neanderthal conservative black and white argument that often passes for debate here is refreshing.

I "brought" you into the thread?? Did I request that you thank Swanson for his post? You brought yourself into the thread. But again, that is symptomatic of exactly why it is that you somehow manage to fight with just everyone else in the forum. You seem to not be happy unless you're being confrontational.

I'm not "helping myself shrug off the sexist label"? Ok, so you are pretentious on top of being confrontational. Listen, if all I have to worry about is the likes of a Ron Swanson and you calling me sexist, I think I'll be able to sleep at night. This is EXACTLY what people like Miles rake you over the coals for, and precisely the reason you are impossible to have a decent argument with.

Kindly spare me your resume (and Swanson's) about working with fighters and women. I don't pour out my life here on the forum for all to see, but I'll just leave it as saying that I've got my own personal experiences. Sexist is the least of things I am. You want to call me a bully? Go right ahead. Angry? Sure.... only when people like you and your Batman-Robin partner Fenster jump at anything I say because it doesn't fit your own personal preferences. Opinionated? Not nearly as much as you, I'm afraid. But sexist? What a goddamn joke. Wasn't all that long ago you and half the forum turned a blind eye to a veteran poster who used to routinely refer to women as whores, sluts, and bitches. Double standards, anyone?

Once again, and quit ignoring stuff that doesn't fit your narrative, what of the opinions of the women boxers I've quoted and posted on this thread? Those mean more to me and most other people on here than any amount of flowery gibberish you could possible muster.

Hilarious how you could take someone like Ron, known for his abrasiveness and bluntness, and talk about "reasoned, sensible, and nuanced points." You are incapable of seeing truth if truth itself were to come up to your angry mug and slap you across the face.

Once again, in case you missed the memo:

1. I did NOT bring you into the thread. You brought yourself in by thanking Swanson on his knee-jerk reaction, incorrect, and presumptuous post.

2. Just because you pour your own life's details into the forum, does not give you a monopoly on any life experiences nor does it give you the knowledge or license to judge others.

3. Women left here because of racist, sexist, thuggish dumbasses like VD. But continue assigning blame to everyone you don't necessarily agree with.

4. It's the opinion of the women in the sport that counts. In that regard, your opinion and those of Swanson aren't worth spit. What about this don't you understand??

5. Nobody here..... NOBODY is saying anything against female boxers. That is just you twisting the argument with blatant lies to suit your agenda.



Now, I've purposely avoided arguing with you because I do not wish for yet another war where the likes of you is involved. All that accomplishes is having your pet bouncer come running over to join the fray.

You have a perfect right to your opinions.... but so do I. So let's just back off because I'm going to let you bully me from behind your keyboard like you like to do with so many others.

Goddamn, it's no wonder Miles hates your fucking guts.