Should transgenered people be allowed to box?

[Spicoli]

Holy hell I'd kill for a Mayweather v Manny II thread right now .

But I'd be interested to see how the question was put to these boxers who are quoted. If its in relation to the actual individual in the thread topic then it's false from jump. A transitioned -woman- is now fighting -men-...not the other way around. No backlash for a born man hitting a born woman though eh. Can anyone show me one single instance of a trans man in a sanctioned boxing match vs a woman. And don't anyone make an Anne Wolfe joke . It's an empty boogeyman. Just one as this is 'boxing talk'. And save all that amateur mma or muey Thai stuff.

[holmcall]

Using "nuanced" is a sure sign to me at least that the user is a _______________ Fill n the blank.

[Beanz]

Using "nuanced" is a sure sign to me at least that the user is a _______________ Fill n the blank.

'native speaker of English'


'lot less likely to jump to conclusions about other posters'


Am i getting close?

'a raving poofter' ?

[TitoFan]

Holy hell I'd kill for a Mayweather v Manny II thread right now .

But I'd be interested to see how the question was put to these boxers who are quoted. If its in relation to the actual individual in the thread topic then it's false from jump. A transitioned -woman- is now fighting -men-...not the other way around. No backlash for a born man hitting a born woman though eh. Can anyone show me one single instance of a trans man in a sanctioned boxing match vs a woman. And don't anyone make an Anne Wolfe joke . It's an empty boogeyman. Just one as this is 'boxing talk'. And save all that amateur mma or muey Thai stuff.

Appreciate the attempt at mediation, Spicoli. Always the level head coming in to defuse the bomb.

However, this is pretty clear cut here. Here's the quote on the question posed:

"We asked some of the top female boxers in the sport for their thoughts on the situation, and if they would feel comfortable stepping into the ring with a woman who was previously a man."



The responses you may have already read.

This isn't some philosophical argument where the question itself might be convoluted and subject to interpretation. This is pretty straightforward. Women boxers/fighters were asked whether would feel comfortable stepping into a ring with a women who was previously a man. Black-white. No gray areas here. This was a yes or no question, and most of them answered pretty clearly.

Now..... Beanz may have a hard-on for everything transgender related. I don't know.... maybe a personal bad experience or something. We'll never know.

But knee-jerk reactions from the peanut gallery, ignorantly throwing around accusations of "sexist" (Swanson) without bothering to read fully into the intent of the targeted comment is just plain foolish.

No way to sugarcoat it, or dance around it.

The long and short of it:

You've got this clique here who will leap "Pavlovian style" on any transgender red meat that gets thrown on the floor. Shoot first... ask questions later. If you erred in your initial reaction..... f*ck it. They had it coming anyway.

Hardly an adult way to conduct a conversation or an argument.



So kudos for attempting to bring down the temperature.... but some things around here are just a bit TOO predictable. These knee-jerk reactions being one of them.

[Spicoli]

Well Tito I appreciate that but in fairness are you not doing the exact same thing with knee jerk and scenarios that do not exist? Not looking to monitor the playground with what I wrote, you're all adults, good heads and will work it out, no worries. But I'm genuinely interested in that the quotes sighted are geared towards a reaction or narrative that isn't applicable in this specific case. The 'situation' is a former woman fighting a man. The quoted boxers don't even recognize that scenario or automatically assume its reversed.

[Beanz]

Thanking a post is a knee jerk reaction?

[TitoFan]

Well Tito I appreciate that but in fairness are you not doing the exact same thing with knee jerk and scenarios that do not exist? Not looking to monitor the playground with what I wrote, you're all adults, good heads and will work it out, no worries. But I'm genuinely interested in that the quotes sighted are geared towards a reaction or narrative that isn't applicable in this specific case. The 'situation' is a former woman fighting a man. The quoted boxers don't even recognize that scenario or automatically assume its reversed.

Here's my first post:


"Women of boxing discuss competing with transgender females"


http://proboxinginsider.com/women-of...ender-females/



Here's the opinion of some of those who actually have to step into the ring with transgender females. Some bravely go with the flow and don't seem to mind... but others emphatically say "no".

I agree with the latter.



Here's my second post:


In short, a woman changes into a man and wants to fight men? It's her choice.

A man changes into a woman and wants to fight women? He's being forced onto opponents who want no part of it.

'Nough said.



From there, I was called "sexist" by that paragon of a poster.... Swanson. Beanz predictably jumps in and thanks him for the insult he hurled at me.

Now... I get it that as Mod your job is to moderate and try and find middle ground or peace.

But where I come from we call a spade a spade.

If someone can feel free to call me a "sexist" based on my opinion that women should not have to fight transgenders, then so be it.

But when I retaliate, it'll be with the kid gloves off.



My only suggestion is that people become better acquainted with the meaning of words before they decide to throw them around like candy. I realize that would be against current Saddo practices.

[Beanz]

Everyone sing along with me..... in a football terrace tune.....

"Swansons got a vag hole, Swansons got a vag hole, la la la la, la la la la"

"Swansons got a.....

It's all fine TitoFan. You have a mod setting a fine example in encouraging those from the sport to carry on posting on the forum. If i get perma- banned again at least It will be a bit clearer why this time.

[powerpuncher]

Most of this comes down to the debate on the decisions of individuals. So if someone who used to be a woman becomes a man and wants to fight men then it seems like most, if not all, agree that that’s up to them. If they are at a disadvantage and want to take the risk then they can do it.

The other side of the argument is if someone who was a man transitions to a woman. Other woman in the sport have the ability to refuse to fight someone transgendered, but there will be consequences for it like losing a title. So basically they are forced to fight. It’s like if I hold a belt to my kids and whip them if they aren’t eating their food. Sure they can technically choose but in reality their choice is made for them.

It would seem that a study would need to be done of some sort to prove that a man that has transitioned into a woman has absolutely no unfair advantage over other women. This isn’t about racism or sexism. This is about safety and fairness. So if it is proven that there is no unfair advantage then I have absolutely no problem with it.

[TitoFan]

Most of this comes down to the debate on the decisions of individuals. So if someone who used to be a woman becomes a man and wants to fight men then it seems like most, if not all, agree that that’s up to them. If they are at a disadvantage and want to take the risk then they can do it.

The other side of the argument is if someone who was a man transitions to a woman. Other woman in the sport have the ability to refuse to fight someone transgendered, but there will be consequences for it like losing a title. So basically they are forced to fight. It’s like if I hold a belt to my kids and whip them if they aren’t eating their food. Sure they can technically choose but in reality their choice is made for them.

It would seem that a study would need to be done of some sort to prove that a man that has transitioned into a woman has absolutely no unfair advantage over other women. This isn’t about racism or sexism. This is about safety and fairness. So if it is proven that there is no unfair advantage then I have absolutely no problem with it.

Thank you.

Maybe now because it's you who said it, everybody will calm down.