Thousands attend Tommy Robinson demonstration at BBC HQ

[Beanz]

I do not agree with anybody on everything they say. However, when I see injustice I will call it out and to be fair to that nice chap in the interview above he gave Robinson an honest hearing. That has been absent from the media and yes, I agree with you that they have been the same over Corbyn. I believe there should be a Palestinian state like much of the world does. It is up to Robinson what he feels about Israel. Morrissey too. I disagree. But like with the UK the people are not the politics. I also believe you are completely filled with hatred for Tommy Robinson. That is in itself extremist. For instance do you agree with the doxing of a wife and children by the media? They don't like it when it comes back at them. Even you freaked when Brock Googled you and you are all over the Internet. You cannot have it both ways. The support is immense whence the censorship. You underestimated Robinson. You are seeing he is clever and a step ahead of his enemies.

That is the problem. You can believe what you like, but it has little to do with reality. I am not completely filled with hatred for Robinson at all. He is a completely disingenuous fraud who is fleecing his flock like any populist mainstream Evangelist, but most people in Britain are well aware of exactly how much of a tool the guy is, and have no time for his schtick. It is not something that i am somehow unique or strange in thinking. I get that it is very uncomfortable for you to confront the cognitive dissonance that would be needed for you to admit that. It is much easier to paint me as a bogeyman for not sharing your very idealised and naive views.

You keep pretending that he is censored when he is covered by all the msm and your alt-right neo-con rubbish to. All over Youtube, Fox, Brietbart, BBC, EVERY UK newspaper, the list is endless. Look how you are having to argue now that simply not believing a con mans spiel is now evidence of me being an extremist. You are now resorting to again defending an internet stalker in order to pretend that harassment is somehow OK when you or your really fucking weird pals are engaged in it. I am not a public figure I did not ask Brock to track facebook and then drop the names of the places i might have chosen to eat at etc into his posts. That is plain wrong and nothing to do with this thread.

If you think Robinson is clever again you are guilty of self hypnosis. He preys on the gullible and you are turning yourself into that in order to avoid admitting the guy is a twat.

[Gandalf]

There you go again. Topsy turvy Beanzland. The hate drips through in every syllable. Of course he is censored by the UK media. The UK media barely touched on Panodrama. Yet Robinson being drunk was something they were all over. They only cover something negative and in turn hope to demonize him much as you do with not only him but many a poster over the years. You say Robinson is low but you really scrape the barrel with your own lies and behavior.

You support banning people on things they have not done. You launch invective after invective on someone because he does not follow your narrative, but you notice fewer and fewer people listen to you. You are losing and when bullies lose they have to use force. They cannot take it when it comes back at them either. Notice how quiet the forum is without the BBC or tranny boxing or this? Both topics you hate, yet have the most recent attention. Do it your way and continue to bore and alienate.

And of course Robinson is smart. He has made mistakes like you and I, but he has grown and outfoxes dullards like yourself and the simplistic media day in day out. You think you are smart like when you simplistically dismiss the entire field of psychology, but it shows you as an arrogant doofus.

[Gandalf]

Finally when you say most people how do you quantify that? He had a million followers on Facebook and more reach than any political elite in the UK. His streams would gather 15-20000 people in minutes. His rallies gathered thousands upon thousands. You live in an echo chamber Beanz. You fail to accept why Facebook banned him. You accept lies and Fake news. That is the hilarious thing about you. His documentary has been seen by about 3 million people. For a man that everyone apparently hates and has such bad press how does he have this support? How can he get these donations? Ask people to donate for your picture of a boot and you will get jack shit because nobody cares about it. Robinson actually is popular and people want to help of their own accord. How do you think he funded his documentary? That is popularity and it is because the message is popular. You are a reactionary fascist yourself with an aversion to democracy and free choice and speech. Thus you support the EU, thus you support Stalinism, you have called for posters to be banned for years. You are an awful person and to top it off you lie constantly like with that statement. Everybody hates him? Go out and do a survey outside of your little weed smoking commie collective. UKIP will do better than you think next time and Labour will struggle. It was their own choice.

[Gandalf]

I do not agree with anybody on everything they say. However, when I see injustice I will call it out and to be fair to that nice chap in the interview above he gave Robinson an honest hearing. That has been absent from the media and yes, I agree with you that they have been the same over Corbyn. I believe there should be a Palestinian state like much of the world does. It is up to Robinson what he feels about Israel. Morrissey too. I disagree. But like with the UK the people are not the politics. I also believe you are completely filled with hatred for Tommy Robinson. That is in itself extremist. For instance do you agree with the doxing of a wife and children by the media? They don't like it when it comes back at them. Even you freaked when Brock Googled you and you are all over the Internet. You cannot have it both ways. The support is immense whence the censorship. You underestimated Robinson. You are seeing he is clever and a step ahead of his enemies.

That is the problem. You can believe what you like, but it has little to do with reality. I am not completely filled with hatred for Robinson at all. He is a completely disingenuous fraud who is fleecing his flock like any populist mainstream Evangelist, but most people in Britain are well aware of exactly how much of a tool the guy is, and have no time for his schtick. It is not something that i am somehow unique or strange in thinking. I get that it is very uncomfortable for you to confront the cognitive dissonance that would be needed for you to admit that. It is much easier to paint me as a bogeyman for not sharing your very idealised and naive views.

You keep pretending that he is censored when he is covered by all the msm and your alt-right neo-con rubbish to. All over Youtube, Fox, Brietbart, BBC, EVERY UK newspaper, the list is endless. Look how you are having to argue now that simply not believing a con mans spiel is now evidence of me being an extremist. You are now resorting to again defending an internet stalker in order to pretend that harassment is somehow OK when you or your really fucking weird pals are engaged in it. I am not a public figure I did not ask Brock to track facebook and then drop the names of the places i might have chosen to eat at etc into his posts. That is plain wrong and nothing to do with this thread.

If you think Robinson is clever again you are guilty of self hypnosis. He preys on the gullible and you are turning yourself into that in order to avoid admitting the guy is a twat.

Defending an 'Internet stalker' is a nice deflection, but what you totally failed to respond to was another direct question which is something you ALWAYS fail to respond to. I asked is it okay to Dox a wife and children. And I would expand that include knowing all the risks and dangers that involves. You failed to answer that question completely. Your silence speaks a thousand words. Nothing at all in the post above about that. Right? Oops, a direct question. Dangerous ground I know.

It has plenty to do with this thread as you have no opinion when it happens to Robinson. You think he deserves what he gets, you want to take away his free speech, you call him scum and a twat. The mainstream media did that to Robinson and you don't seem to have an opinion, but you who plaster your name and ugly mug all over the Internet had a freak out when Brock randomly searched you.

You want it your way, but are full of double standards.

[Gandalf]

AND to make my position clear when it comes to stalking, I do not have those double standards. I will state categorically that to reveal the address of someone or come to their home is WRONG. If anyone other than yourself revealed your address or came to your home I would say that is WRONG too. That is my position on the issue, the rules work both way. The left and groups that you seem to be suggesting positive things about do things like this as does the mainstream media and you seem to be silent on those things. Your take on Robinson is no different to extremists that would strip citizenship from people leaving someone stateless which I of course disagree with. Sure you don't like him, but to think only in the extreme is blindness. I have admitted things about Robinson I disagree with. You say nothing that you agree with. You do the same with Peterson, Chomsky, the entire field of Psychology, Robinson etc. Black and white binary thinking.

[Gandalf]

Right, that's enough on that. I think I have made my point. I know that what will come back is a wall of noise nothing with a bunch of invective and so I will preface now by saying that I have won this exchange. If you cannot answer a question here and there, then you don't know how to have a discussion. Later folks! Back when I feel like as that is my prerogative.

[walrus]

Tommy is alright. A little radicalism can expand the Overton window. If I were in England I wouldn’t agree with everything he says. We are having some real radical talk from the right wanting the US to move more into socialism. It’s good to help people, increase wages but doing so has shut down numerous small business and it moved then automation at a wicker pace. What u guys do in England is your thing but the US was founded on its main focus being protecting people from the gov and limiting the govs involvement in our lives. Anyway it’s on of those things you can spend years going arguing about. I’d prefer not to live on government hand outs. But hey I’m just one dude.

[Beanz]

Miles

Anyone who says

'I have won the exchange'

is very unlikely to be over 12 years of age

and there lies your problem.


People don't want to tune in and watch the Miles show or the Miles and Beanz show, that is the positive thing about the forum changing. You want to draw a parallel between Brock being banned and Tommy being booted of facefook, but you end up having to tie yourself in knots to create your own martyrs.

People are responsible for their own actions. Tommy is not some lone voice activist and you know it. He has the backing a huge globalist right wing network of neoliberal billionaires,organizations and media networks pushing a populist agenda. On top of that he begs for even more money to carry on pushing this idea that he is an innocent victim. You know that he is nothing of the sort.


It's not about me Miles.This is a boxing forum and the thread is about Robinson. I don't beg for money, I earn it. I don't do drugs, Green has nothing to do with weed you fool. I have not plastered myself over the internet either. There are loads of Saddo posters on facebook and we are all just normal regular people. I understand that you have always seen yourself as above the great unwashed, but most of us have no problem or issue with accepting others having different opinions.

All this 'hate drips through every syllable' crap is just projection on your part. He is not your son is he? So why take it so personally?


You never ever could debate. Always about you and your deluded illusions of grandeur, dressed up as drama queen charm. Sad really.

[Gandalf]

You have lost in every single Robinson thread as all you ever do is parrot lies that you read in your manufactured media. You respond in post after post so it obviously matters to you that your false point of view gets out and it is false. It has been going on for ages now ever since you falsely accused Robinson of pleading guilty (fake news eh Beanz? )and probably before and definitely after. How do you know what people want? Are these the same British multitudes that hate Tommy Robinson? I do not know what readers of the forum want and neither do I care. I post for myself and have my own agenda. I do not post to please anybody. As do you, though you do rim the Mods rather hard.

You don't beg for money? Fair enough, but I hear stories that you have topped up your income with government help. But hey, we all need to survive. As does Robinson who likely cannot get a regular job now. How do you think he funds his legal cases and documentaries. He deserves every penny he gets.

Why do I take it so personally? I would argue the same back at you. I don't take it personally. I just do not like injustice. Think back to all the adjectives you have cast his way. All of them negative and with vitriol.

You cannot debate and several posters would say the same thing. And of course you have taken drugs. I have no idea why Green would be a reference to drugs but fair enough. LSD is more your thing. You even started a thread about it, but hey, I am not judging. Lots of people take drugs of various kinds. Alcohol being the most common of all.

See I won again. Utter domination. I retire as champion until the next comeback.