The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

So a million sore losers overrides 17 million or whatever who actually voted already? There will be a pro Brexit rally the following week. Farage is now irrelevant.

Sore losers? It was merely people excercising their democratic right to protest. No trouble, arrests or abuse of those who voted leave. In contrast the no deal march - 50+arrests, Leavers constantly threatening MPS, a pro remain MP killed ffs.

5 million + have signed the petition for another referendum compared to 500,000 signing the no deal version. Meanwhile the crowing from leavers is embarrassing. The sovereign state they pretended was so important they now want to ignore. As bad as May who puts party and politics before country.

Immigration will go through the roof and the economy will take a hammering if the no deal daydream is implemented. Cries of betrayal and treason are as revealing as Trump claiming the same thing next to a monster being investigated in Israel.

There is nothing intrinsically patriotic in voting for Brexit and a no deal suck up to the states is quite the opposite. Buckling at the knees when Britain gives up a powerful voice in favour of fantasies of an empire long gone is weak as gnats piss tea made with the milk in first.

LOL!

Constantly threatening MP's? A pro remain MP killed? Yep, that is a good way to sum up 17 million or whatever it was that voted to leave.

In terms of that petition you have people from Sub Saharan Africa arguing against Brexit. It is hardly comparable to an ACTUAL vote that did indeed happen and is being shunted down the road and ignored which is very UNDEMOCRATIC. I would assume many of those that voted feel that they made their decision already.

There is no evidence that immigration will go through the roof. That is project fear talking.

I certainly do not believe in Empire or anything of the sort myself. What I believe in is democracy and accountability. You cannot remove the EU elite, it is dictatorial by nature. How you could want to remain part of something like that is frankly very astonishing to me. I look more to nations like Iceland, Korea, Singapore, and others as nations that really do function quite fine as sovereign countries.

I don't know why you doubt the British so much. It is wealthier than most of the countries in the EU and there is a reason EU citizens flood it. It does well and punches above its weight. Be a patriot and believe in democracy. Wouldn't it be nice to make your own laws and be a free country?

[Beanz]

So a million sore losers overrides 17 million or whatever who actually voted already? There will be a pro Brexit rally the following week. Farage is now irrelevant.

Sore losers? It was merely people excercising their democratic right to protest. No trouble, arrests or abuse of those who voted leave. In contrast the no deal march - 50+arrests, Leavers constantly threatening MPS, a pro remain MP killed ffs.

5 million + have signed the petition for another referendum compared to 500,000 signing the no deal version. Meanwhile the crowing from leavers is embarrassing. The sovereign state they pretended was so important they now want to ignore. As bad as May who puts party and politics before country.

Immigration will go through the roof and the economy will take a hammering if the no deal daydream is implemented. Cries of betrayal and treason are as revealing as Trump claiming the same thing next to a monster being investigated in Israel.

There is nothing intrinsically patriotic in voting for Brexit and a no deal suck up to the states is quite the opposite. Buckling at the knees when Britain gives up a powerful voice in favour of fantasies of an empire long gone is weak as gnats piss tea made with the milk in first.

LOL!

Constantly threatening MP's? A pro remain MP killed? Yep, that is a good way to sum up 17 million or whatever it was that voted to leave.

In terms of that petition you have people from Sub Saharan Africa arguing against Brexit. It is hardly comparable to an ACTUAL vote that did indeed happen and is being shunted down the road and ignored which is very UNDEMOCRATIC. I would assume many of those that voted feel that they made their decision already.

There is no evidence that immigration will go through the roof. That is project fear talking.

I certainly do not believe in Empire or anything of the sort myself. What I believe in is democracy and accountability. You cannot remove the EU elite, it is dictatorial by nature. How you could want to remain part of something like that is frankly very astonishing to me. I look more to nations like Iceland, Korea, Singapore, and others as nations that really do function quite fine as sovereign countries.

I don't know why you doubt the British so much. It is wealthier than most of the countries in the EU and there is a reason EU citizens flood it. It does well and punches above its weight. Be a patriot and believe in democracy. Wouldn't it be nice to make your own laws and be a free country?

Why do you feel the need to question my patriotism? OR pretend that you and only leavers have the monopoly on democracy? I notice you did this with the Royals. I was not on the leave march . I have never supported a monarchy .And yet you assumed that both those things were false and were quite happy to override a majority of people if they expressed a desire to retain the Royal spongers. It's not black or white , left or right, despite what you own msm tells you. It's a bit like you harping on about project fear when uncomfortable facts rear their head. It would help you appear a bit more open minded and less partisan if you could bring yourself to not be part of the the us and them crew. Online and in the real world that helps nobody.

I rang my brother yesterday. He was at Germany at an academic conference and then off to visit family. It will make his life more complicated. He did his degree in Cyprus (the North). He is not a remainer but he doesn't pretend it's the panacea you make it out to be. His mother is a staunch remainer. We all manage to hold very different views and none of them are as simplistic as people pretend they can be. Look at the shit show of a Parliament we have and the laughable idea that Farrage etc who never attended European meetings to stand up for Britain, now pretending he had the Brits best interest at heart? Did he fuck?

[Gandalf]

I question it like I would any Pole who claimed to prefer Soviet rule over simple home run democracy. I question anyone that prefers to remain in the EU rather than have a more accountable democratic process over a super state. I think it is unpatriotic to want 60% of all laws coming from overseas.

If anything is made more difficult for your brother then that is down to the EU itself. To work or function overseas all you would need to do is apply and submit appropriate paperwork if the EU plays fair. It is easily done. In most countries a simple background check and a few supporting documents. Seems fair enough.

I think there is a lot of exaggeration too. Though there will be some issues, especially if May keeps pushing her nonsense deal, a no deal Brexit is the best thing for the UK IMO. Think long term rather than short term. There will always be a short term impact. It is for the best. Don't doubt yourselves.

Democracy is all people want. I doubt anybody wants a new empire. The empire building is the EU itself!

[Beanz]

I question it like I would any Pole who claimed to prefer Soviet rule over simple home run democracy. I question anyone that prefers to remain in the EU rather than have a more accountable democratic process over a super state. I think it is unpatriotic to want 60% of all laws coming from overseas.

If anything is made more difficult for your brother then that is down to the EU itself. To work or function overseas all you would need to do is apply and submit appropriate paperwork if the EU plays fair. It is easily done. In most countries a simple background check and a few supporting documents. Seems fair enough.

I think there is a lot of exaggeration too. Though there will be some issues, especially if May keeps pushing her nonsense deal, a no deal Brexit is the best thing for the UK IMO. Think long term rather than short term. There will always be a short term impact. It is for the best. Don't doubt yourselves.

Democracy is all people want. I doubt anybody wants a new empire. The empire building is the EU itself!

You are talking about theoreticals arrived at by listening to menchildren like PJW and Arrkann in their bedrooms. Most of these 'facts' you pluck out of the air, and they have little in common with reality at all. It is going to be painful to hear it but most people who wanted Brexit can't stand the idea of democracy. They just want to be right, and to have their backs slapped. They want to revel in 'winning' that is how clueless they are about the realities of what they are voting for. If you ask them what laws have been imposed by the EU they do not agree with? They can never ever name one. There is a total fabrication of reality in play in which the EU is portrayed as some jackbooted oppressor and UK parliament is presented as some kind of brilliant alternative. None of that is remotely true. A no deal Brexit is a spastic idea, twisted and demented in such a way that you can no longer pretend it has anything to do with anything but self harm and grandstanding. Nobody voted for that in the referendum.

[Gandalf]

That is pure projection and word salad. You cannot prove that immigration will rise or that all the media fear outcomes will happen. Truth is you have had 2 years to get ready. You should be ready. Several regarded politicians and economists have argued that Brexit can be beneficial to the UK. You are operating in a world of fear and I am not sure why. I can only assume it is your ideology and that you actually listen to journalists.

Have Singapore, Iceland, or Korea suffered because they are not part of an undemocratic super state? You appear to really doubt the worth of Britain. Most people will wake up and go to work and life will go on.

[Beanz]

That is pure projection and word salad. You cannot prove that immigration will rise or that all the media fear outcomes will happen. Truth is you have had 2 years to get ready. You should be ready. Several regarded politicians and economists have argued that Brexit can be beneficial to the UK. You are operating in a world of fear and I am not sure why. I can only assume it is your ideology and that you actually listen to journalists.

Have Singapore, Iceland, or Korea suffered because they are not part of an undemocratic super state? You appear to really doubt the worth of Britain. Most people will wake up and go to work and life will go on.

No. Not projection at all. 'World of fear' ? where did you get that?

[Gandalf]

Your previous posts where you outline economic horror as portrated by an ever dependable British media. Then there was the comment about lots more immigration. It is not as though immigration could be any higher. Have you not seen London lately? It has been colonized.