Golovkin v Steve Rolls

[p4pking]

I can see it both ways. There is loyalty and all that, but at the same time, anyone who posts here could fill in as GGGs trainer if hes going to be taking easy fights.

[Master]

Gennady Golovkin splits with longtime trainer Abel Sanchez in a dispute over money

One of the most successful fighter-trainer combinations of the 21st century is no more.

Former middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin parted ways with longtime trainer Abel Sanchez on Wednesday in a dispute over money. Golovkin, who has a fight against Steve Rolls on June 8 in New York, lavished Sanchez with praise in a statement announcing the change.

Golovkin did not identify his new trainer.

In a statement provided to Yahoo Sports, Sanchez referenced “an insulting trainer compensation schedule,” that Golovkin offered him.

Golovkin hired Sanchez in April 2010 to train him. In their first fight together, Golovkin knocked out Milton Núñez in the first round on Aug. 14, 2010, on the way to becoming one of the biggest stars in boxing.

They worked together for 22 fights, going 20-1-1 with 19 knockouts together. Sanchez transformed Golovkin from a boxer with a European style into one of the most exciting knockout punchers in the world. Their partnership provided success for both men and lifted them to the heights of boxing.

As is often the case in boxing, though, money is at the root of the problem.

Golovkin, who earlier this year signed a massive financial deal with DAZN that Sanchez said is worth $100 million, wanted Sanchez to take a pay cut. Sanchez wasn’t willing to take the cut and they parted ways.



Golovkin’s statement read:

“I would like to announce that I have made a major decision for myself and for my career. I want to build on what I have already achieved and continue to better myself. Therefore, I will not be training with Abel Sanchez. This was not an easy decision for me and it is not a reflection on Abel's professional abilities. He is a great trainer, a loyal trainer, and a Hall of Fame trainer.

“I will be announcing my new trainer at a later date. But today, I want to thank Abel for the lessons he taught me in boxing.”

Abel Sanchez blasts ‘greedy’ GGG
Sanchez clearly was unhappy with the way the partnership ended. He attended a news conference in Los Angeles to announce Golovkin’s deal with DAZN, at which point Golovkin told Yahoo Sports that he anticipated Sanchez would remain as his trainer.

Sanchez, though, did not appear at either stop on Golovkin’s New York-Los Angeles media appearances to promote the fight with Rolls.

Sanchez’s statement in full:

“FYI, as of today I will no longer be working with Gennady Golovkin. After a great 9-year run, records set and equaled, developing a Hall of Fame career and making it possible to sign a six-fight, $100 million contract with DAZN, he proposed and insisted on an insulting new trainer compensation schedule. My dignity and honor does not allow me to be screwed like that. It’s unfortunate being greedy, being ungrateful and no ethics, honor or integrity will end this relationship.”

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/gen...222608804.html

[TitoFan]

I can see it both ways. There is loyalty and all that, but at the same time, anyone who posts here could fill in as GGGs trainer if hes going to be taking easy fights.

"Anyone"? Does that include Miles?

Seriously though, I'd have to know the particulars first. Did Abel ask for a million dollar raise? Did GGG ask him to take a pay cut? I just don't know exactly what it's all about. It does seem odd, however, that a long time partnership would dissolve over money. The trainer is the Commander in Chief of your corner and your training for fights. Fighters owe their trainers a ton of credit. Seems disloyal to say the least to let go of a trainer over money. It'd be another thing if the trainer had outlived his usefulness and had nothing to offer in terms of raising your game to the next level. All fighters have ebbs and flows in quality of opponents. Doesn't mean you dump an Abel Sanchez. Then again maybe there's something they're not telling us. Maybe GGG holds a bit of a grudge in thinking it's somehow Abel's fault he didn't beat Ginger decisively enough to force the judges to grudgingly give him the nod. Who knows.

[Master]

It is GGG prerogative who he hires and fires as it is his career and he steps into the ring. Even if it is about money, Abel will not teach Golovkin anything new.

Remember Holyfield did it with Emanuel Steward for the same reason.

[powerpuncher]

It is GGG prerogative who he hires and fires as it is his career and he steps into the ring. Even if it is about money, Abel will not teach Golovkin anything new.

Remember Holyfield did it with Emanuel Steward for the same reason.

I think everyone agrees that it’s up to GGG to make his own decisions, but he has seemed to just get extra greedy lately. It’s a bad look. There’s nothing illegal about lowering your trainers wage, but when you get a huge raise and try to do it, it’s just a selfish move.

[Master]

It is GGG prerogative who he hires and fires as it is his career and he steps into the ring. Even if it is about money, Abel will not teach Golovkin anything new.

Remember Holyfield did it with Emanuel Steward for the same reason.

I think everyone agrees that it’s up to GGG to make his own decisions, but he has seemed to just get extra greedy lately. It’s a bad look. There’s nothing illegal about lowering your trainers wage, but when you get a huge raise and try to do it, it’s just a selfish move.

Disagree the trainer should get less the closer to the end of the boxers career, their share should taper down.

[Spicoli]

Just don't see it as a bright move by Golovkin not sure what he's thinking. What exactly will he look to improve boxing wise near the tail end of career. Can't help but think it just plays more into Canelo and promotions hands and loses one of the few key allies he's had over the last two screw jobs.

[powerpuncher]

It is GGG prerogative who he hires and fires as it is his career and he steps into the ring. Even if it is about money, Abel will not teach Golovkin anything new.

Remember Holyfield did it with Emanuel Steward for the same reason.

I think everyone agrees that it’s up to GGG to make his own decisions, but he has seemed to just get extra greedy lately. It’s a bad look. There’s nothing illegal about lowering your trainers wage, but when you get a huge raise and try to do it, it’s just a selfish move.

Disagree the trainer should get less the closer to the end of the boxers career, their share should taper down.

Really? So a trainer who has brought you to the top should be thrown away once you have used them? I get it, but trainers are real people. They aren’t objects to throw away once they aren’t as useful. It’s called loyalty. You don’t have to be loyal, but it shows what type of a person you really are.

[Master]

It is GGG prerogative who he hires and fires as it is his career and he steps into the ring. Even if it is about money, Abel will not teach Golovkin anything new.

Remember Holyfield did it with Emanuel Steward for the same reason.

I think everyone agrees that it’s up to GGG to make his own decisions, but he has seemed to just get extra greedy lately. It’s a bad look. There’s nothing illegal about lowering your trainers wage, but when you get a huge raise and try to do it, it’s just a selfish move.

Disagree the trainer should get less the closer to the end of the boxers career, their share should taper down.

Really? So a trainer who has brought you to the top should be thrown away once you have used them? I get it, but trainers are real people. They aren’t objects to throw away once they aren’t as useful. It’s called loyalty. You don’t have to be loyal, but it shows what type of a person you really are.

If it was someone like Ingle who trained Naz from a child I would understand loyalty but this is different. Trainer will continue his career, the fighter may not get an income as high again.

[J_Undisputed]

Supposedly Abel said GGG offered him 1/5 of what he was getting before... which sounds a little suspicious.

Either
A.) This was a brush off. I don't want to fired you so i'm going to lowball you so bad you quit. Which doesn't seem likely because you can offer someone half of what they got before if you want them to quit.

B.) Someones in GGG's ear and told him he hasn't set up for his retirement properly by not fighting for big money before and he needs to trim the fat now. Which is unfair.

C.) Due to the ummm underlying tone of Sanchez's response. Maybe GGG was paying him more than the standard rate before and at the rate ggg is paid now, it seemed ridiculous to give him the same percentage (when you look at the dollar amount) of a much larger pie and tried to adjust the wage to a dollar amount that reflects what other trainers are receiving and got called Greedy. Supposedly the back and forth of the amount lasted a month. I can't see standing there for a month if you were super insulted with a 1/5th offer. You'd just tell someone to get f*cked and cut your losses. If you paid someone 10% of your previous 850k salary after taxes and it came to 50k over 8 weeks of training lodging training, meals etc. and now the same percentage nets him 1.2 -1.5 million dollars per fight. Thatr could seem like a lot the same thing. I mean from the the training vids we saw, it didn't seem like able was doing anything dynamic and didnt really seem to have a sense of urgency to change things up etc. He seem to reply on GGG's power to wear down opponents. I guess we wont know till we see what the new trainer provides for 1/5th of what Abel did.

[p4pking]

I can see it both ways. There is loyalty and all that, but at the same time, anyone who posts here could fill in as GGGs trainer if hes going to be taking easy fights.

"Anyone"? Does that include Miles?

Seriously though, I'd have to know the particulars first. Did Abel ask for a million dollar raise? Did GGG ask him to take a pay cut? I just don't know exactly what it's all about. It does seem odd, however, that a long time partnership would dissolve over money. The trainer is the Commander in Chief of your corner and your training for fights. Fighters owe their trainers a ton of credit. Seems disloyal to say the least to let go of a trainer over money. It'd be another thing if the trainer had outlived his usefulness and had nothing to offer in terms of raising your game to the next level. All fighters have ebbs and flows in quality of opponents. Doesn't mean you dump an Abel Sanchez. Then again maybe there's something they're not telling us. Maybe GGG holds a bit of a grudge in thinking it's somehow Abel's fault he didn't beat Ginger decisively enough to force the judges to grudgingly give him the nod. Who knows.

You lost me at including miles.

[Gandalf]

I can see it both ways. There is loyalty and all that, but at the same time, anyone who posts here could fill in as GGGs trainer if hes going to be taking easy fights.

"Anyone"? Does that include Miles?

Seriously though, I'd have to know the particulars first. Did Abel ask for a million dollar raise? Did GGG ask him to take a pay cut? I just don't know exactly what it's all about. It does seem odd, however, that a long time partnership would dissolve over money. The trainer is the Commander in Chief of your corner and your training for fights. Fighters owe their trainers a ton of credit. Seems disloyal to say the least to let go of a trainer over money. It'd be another thing if the trainer had outlived his usefulness and had nothing to offer in terms of raising your game to the next level. All fighters have ebbs and flows in quality of opponents. Doesn't mean you dump an Abel Sanchez. Then again maybe there's something they're not telling us. Maybe GGG holds a bit of a grudge in thinking it's somehow Abel's fault he didn't beat Ginger decisively enough to force the judges to grudgingly give him the nod. Who knows.

You lost me at including miles.

I would train you in a heartbeat. My kind of training.

[Gandalf]

I wouldn't mind seeing a final stand with Freddie Roach. Mind you, if it is about money then that is gay. I don't get these super rich people that become all about money.

[powerpuncher]

If GGG just wanted him gone then he should have done what basically every other fighter does. Just say you are going a different direction. If GGG really doesn’t believe that Abel was effective anymore then just say it. I’m sure the money thing is true because I couldn’t imagine GGG or his team would sit back and allow such a complete lie to circulate without at least denying it

[p4pking]

I can see it both ways. There is loyalty and all that, but at the same time, anyone who posts here could fill in as GGGs trainer if hes going to be taking easy fights.

"Anyone"? Does that include Miles?

Seriously though, I'd have to know the particulars first. Did Abel ask for a million dollar raise? Did GGG ask him to take a pay cut? I just don't know exactly what it's all about. It does seem odd, however, that a long time partnership would dissolve over money. The trainer is the Commander in Chief of your corner and your training for fights. Fighters owe their trainers a ton of credit. Seems disloyal to say the least to let go of a trainer over money. It'd be another thing if the trainer had outlived his usefulness and had nothing to offer in terms of raising your game to the next level. All fighters have ebbs and flows in quality of opponents. Doesn't mean you dump an Abel Sanchez. Then again maybe there's something they're not telling us. Maybe GGG holds a bit of a grudge in thinking it's somehow Abel's fault he didn't beat Ginger decisively enough to force the judges to grudgingly give him the nod. Who knows.

You lost me at including miles.

I would train you in a heartbeat. My kind of training.

Yeah, cuz one beat is all your heart could manage, you fumbling imbecile.