Deontay Wilder vs Dominic Breazeale 18th May 2019 Sky Sports

[Fenster]

Wilder will fight Joshua when he gets paid, 120 million isn't enough. That's nice to know.

[Gandalf]

Shows you that Wilder can match anything Joshua is willing to put up. I don't really see the need for Ortiz 2. It was a close fight, but the KO was decisive. I can see Wilder just getting it done earlier. He needs to fight new opponents. Only Fury is worth a rematch but Fury seems to be adverse to it and I cannot blame him considering the end. I think Wilder at this point is the most exciting of the HW's.

[TitoFan]

Certainly the pendulum is starting to swing a little bit isn't it.

Used to be Wilder hadn't fought anybody. Well... he's slowly working on that isn't he.

Seems Wladimir was the only entry on AJ's resume his fans needed to mention to cancel out anything Wilder had done. Who's AJ fighting next again? And who has he fought lately? Just askin'

Argument was Wilder was fighting in front of 5,000 people in the backwoods of Alabama. Seems he's slowly warming up to the U.S. heavyweight fandom consciousness isn't he. I mean... unless a screaming sold-out Barclays Center is still unworthy.




Time for a disclaimer here. Not a die-hard Wilder fan, nor an AJ hater. Just putting things into a little perspective. Old habits die hard... and it seems die-hard AJ fans will continue dredging up all the reasons as to why Wilder is not worthy.

But......... shhhhhh....... does anybody else sense the pendulum starting to swing a little bit?



Point is, my boxing friends..... that throne is getting just a bit heated..... and it's gonna take a little more than the previous Eddie Hearn theatrics to convince fans that AJ really wants to fight Wilder and it's Wilder holding up the works.

Wanna make it about number of belts? Sure..... ok. AJ has the most number of trinkets. If that's the argument.... we have nothing to talk about.




That drunken giraffe just steamrollered his mandatory. AJ's leftovers? Great...... let's sit down and talk about it.

All I know is the excuses will start slowly vanishing one by one like so many slammed doors.

While we're at it....... Tyson Fury is a f*cking pussy for denying boxing fans of a rematch the whole world wanted to see.

Saying you actually won a fight that was called a draw and then running for the hills looks chicken-shit, whether a big contract was involved or not. There....... I finally said it.

[Fenster]

Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed

So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder?

"It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV)

[Hulk]

Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder? "It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV)

I am a Joshua fan and I have been convinced for a while that Wilder hits harder than Joshua. He hits very very hard. He may be the hardest puncher in heavyweight history. He’s also scum. He could very well KO AJ as well. He could get KOd too. Fight needs to happen.

[Fenster]

Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder? "It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV)

I am a Joshua fan and I have been convinced for a while that Wilder hits harder than Joshua. He hits very very hard. He may be the hardest puncher in heavyweight history. He’s also scum. He could very well KO AJ as well. He could get KOd too. Fight needs to happen.

Agree.

Wilder has tremendous explosive power, more explosive in a single shot than Joshua or anyone else.

[TitoFan]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

[palmerq]

That's quite impressive, I don't rate brezeale that highly at all, I predict him to lose every fight but the git is big and tough and can take a punch and then come back with some good power. Pretty impressive to put that guy flat on his back with one punch.... I also don't by think Wilder is that good(apart from his pretty amazing power) but he's pretty funny to watch when he gets in one of his weird moods, good for him.

[Beanz]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.

[mrbig1]

Breazeale has a thing I call lazy hands. He was willing to lay back and let Wilder be first. DB had to jab. So he could jab his way in. He was just lazy. He should have worked Wilder. That's the way to beat him. Watch the Fury fight. Tyson never let him off the hook. It's hard to be first with a fist in your face. Breazeale sould have watch film. We have to understand Wilder isn't that good. He can punch but that's about it.

[TitoFan]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.

I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.

[bcollins]

But the KO is what Wilder brings. It certainly isn't fundamental technique! He is exciting, simply because you know he's going to do his damndest to KO the other guy, but his wounded giraffe impression makes him seem vulnerable. I think one variable associated with Wilder that hasn't been fully tested is heart. He's shown it to some degree with Ortiz, but can he get up to land his equalizer? This makes for good drama, especially given his power. He's interesting precisely because his fundamentals are so lacking, yet has had little apparent need for them (with a few obvious exceptions). He exemplifies why boxing is such an interesting sport - which attributes obviate others, and in which combination?

[TitoFan]

But the KO is what Wilder brings. It certainly isn't fundamental technique! He is exciting, simply because you know he's going to do his damndest to KO the other guy, but his wounded giraffe impression makes him seem vulnerable. I think one variable associated with Wilder that hasn't been fully tested is heart. He's shown it to some degree with Ortiz, but can he get up to land his equalizer? This makes for good drama, especially given his power. He's interesting precisely because his fundamentals are so lacking, yet has had little apparent need for them (with a few obvious exceptions). He exemplifies why boxing is such an interesting sport - which attributes obviate others, and in which combination?

I get you b. But Wilder's lack of fundamental techniques have become so cemented into people's heads that it's become the immediate go-to argument. Yet I only saw one truly amateurish looking punch in tonight's fight. Albeit a very short fight... but still. Wilder's jab is strong and purposeful. Save for one missed right hand, the other ones were fairly straight. I'd say let's ask Breazeale, but he's probably still wondering when the fight's gonna happen. Yes.... Wilder gets excited when he hurts a guy and that got him a good counter tonight for his troubles. But the final KO punch was nicely thrown.

Just goes to show how tough it is to shake a perception that has become ingrained in people's minds.

[bcollins]

But the KO is what Wilder brings. It certainly isn't fundamental technique! He is exciting, simply because you know he's going to do his damndest to KO the other guy, but his wounded giraffe impression makes him seem vulnerable. I think one variable associated with Wilder that hasn't been fully tested is heart. He's shown it to some degree with Ortiz, but can he get up to land his equalizer? This makes for good drama, especially given his power. He's interesting precisely because his fundamentals are so lacking, yet has had little apparent need for them (with a few obvious exceptions). He exemplifies why boxing is such an interesting sport - which attributes obviate others, and in which combination?

I get you b. But Wilder's lack of fundamental techniques have become so cemented into people's heads that it's become the immediate go-to argument. Yet I only saw one truly amateurish looking punch in tonight's fight. Albeit a very short fight... but still. Wilder's jab is strong and purposeful. Save for one missed right hand, the other ones were fairly straight. I'd say let's ask Breazeale, but he's probably still wondering when the fight's gonna happen. Yes.... Wilder gets excited when he hurts a guy and that got him a good counter tonight for his troubles. But the final KO punch was nicely thrown.

Just goes to show how tough it is to shake a perception that has become ingrained in people's minds.

I think it's fair to say he has shown improvement. I think it's also fair to say we'll never describe Wilder's fundamentals as textbook. Either way, his power equates to getting the job done in almost every fight he's been in.

[Gandalf]

Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed

So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder?

"It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV)

It is what the fans wanted to see, it is what I suggested Wilder needed to do, and he has gone and done it. Next opponent please. Oh, and nobody died.