Prime Mayweather vs Prime Pacquiao. I think Floyd would dominate Manny even worse

[sanatogen]

Their common opponent was DelaHoya, PAcman despite being much smaller stopped him, whilst Mayweather did well to get through the fight with a points win.

[mikeeod]

Their common opponent was DelaHoya, PAcman despite being much smaller stopped him, whilst Mayweather did well to get through the fight with a points win.

I don't disagree with you here, but do feel that Oscar was further from his prime vs Manny than he was vs Floyd. The weight cut to 147 for Oscar, at that age/wear & tear, had an adverse affect on him. You see that often when older fighters cut too much weight or have a difficult cut (Riddick Bowe vs Golota, Roy vs Tarver 1, Chris Byrd dropping to Lt. Heavy...etc.).

Again, I feel that in 2009/10 Manny vs Floyd is a very competitive and intriguing fight, just want to be fair to both guys when comparing common opponents. Conversely, I feel that Cotto was closer to his prime when he fought Manny than he was when he fought Floyd. Styles and "getting up" for specific fights also play a factor in my mind, and I feel a solid case can be made for either guy presenting a significant problem to the other prime vs prime.

[Ron Swanson]

I feel bad for people that think it would even be competitive if Floyd was in his prime. Think of what Roach thought gave Manny a chance “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone”.

Floyd out of his prime made Manny reach because of his superior ring intellect. Floyd with his legs makes Manny look foolish. Well, more foolish, because he made the fight so darned easy as it was.

[mikeeod]

I feel bad for people that think it would even be competitive if Floyd was in his prime. Think of what Roach thought gave Manny a chance “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone”.

Floyd out of his prime made Manny reach because of his superior ring intellect. Floyd with his legs makes Manny look foolish. Well, more foolish, because he made the fight so darned easy as it was.

First, I find it admirable that you are sympathetic to those of us who feel it would be a close fight. When individuals with obvious superior intellect remain humble and care about the little people, it speaks volumes to that genius’s character. For all of us who are so inferior, please allow me to thank you for your patience, understanding, and sympathy.

Second, even though I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, I just can’t help but remember a prime Floyd struggling with Jose Luis Castillo, who I don’t think is better than prime Manny. Additionally, I seem to remember a prime Floyd having some rough patches vs Corley and Judah. While it is true that Floyd eventually adjusted and dominated both southpaws, I feel that they were levels below a prime Manny.

So, while I think Floyd should have always been the favorite, I can see a case for Manny winning and DEFINITELY feel it is a closer fight prime vs prime. One punch can change everything, however, so the right counter by Floyd or the right shot from Manny could end the fight for either.

[james16million]

No one in this era can beat Floyd in his prime. Maybe in fab four era

[Ron Swanson]

I feel bad for people that think it would even be competitive if Floyd was in his prime. Think of what Roach thought gave Manny a chance “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone”.

Floyd out of his prime made Manny reach because of his superior ring intellect. Floyd with his legs makes Manny look foolish. Well, more foolish, because he made the fight so darned easy as it was.

First, I find it admirable that you are sympathetic to those of us who feel it would be a close fight. When individuals with obvious superior intellect remain humble and care about the little people, it speaks volumes to that genius’s character. For all of us who are so inferior, please allow me to thank you for your patience, understanding, and sympathy.

Second, even though I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, I just can’t help but remember a prime Floyd struggling with Jose Luis Castillo, who I don’t think is better than prime Manny. Additionally, I seem to remember a prime Floyd having some rough patches vs Corley and Judah. While it is true that Floyd eventually adjusted and dominated both southpaws, I feel that they were levels below a prime Manny.

So, while I think Floyd should have always been the favorite, I can see a case for Manny winning and DEFINITELY feel it is a closer fight prime vs prime. One punch can change everything, however, so the right counter by Floyd or the right shot from Manny could end the fight for either.

If boxing was only about who’s better, sure, you make a good point. But styles make fights. For all his talent Manny is a dope. You counter him he stops and thinks, and thinking is not Manny’s game. I called exactly how the fight went years before it happened. When you are exactly right you get to tell people they’re wrong. I’m sorry but that’s how being right and being wrong works.

Hell, if you like I can even find Roach saying “we can be ready for Clottey but we can’t be ready for Mayweather by March”. He said this when the fight was first proposed, exactly in the prime. Even Manny’s people knew, that’s why Bob talked him into PULLING OUT OF THE AGREED FIGHT. As if anything could be more clear than that.

[mikeeod]

I feel bad for people that think it would even be competitive if Floyd was in his prime. Think of what Roach thought gave Manny a chance “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone” “Floyd’s legs are gone”.

Floyd out of his prime made Manny reach because of his superior ring intellect. Floyd with his legs makes Manny look foolish. Well, more foolish, because he made the fight so darned easy as it was.

First, I find it admirable that you are sympathetic to those of us who feel it would be a close fight. When individuals with obvious superior intellect remain humble and care about the little people, it speaks volumes to that genius’s character. For all of us who are so inferior, please allow me to thank you for your patience, understanding, and sympathy.

Second, even though I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, I just can’t help but remember a prime Floyd struggling with Jose Luis Castillo, who I don’t think is better than prime Manny. Additionally, I seem to remember a prime Floyd having some rough patches vs Corley and Judah. While it is true that Floyd eventually adjusted and dominated both southpaws, I feel that they were levels below a prime Manny.

So, while I think Floyd should have always been the favorite, I can see a case for Manny winning and DEFINITELY feel it is a closer fight prime vs prime. One punch can change everything, however, so the right counter by Floyd or the right shot from Manny could end the fight for either.

If boxing was only about who’s better, sure, you make a good point. But styles make fights. For all his talent Manny is a dope. You counter him he stops and thinks, and thinking is not Manny’s game. I called exactly how the fight went years before it happened. When you are exactly right you get to tell people they’re wrong. I’m sorry but that’s how being right and being wrong works.

Hell, if you like I can even find Roach saying “we can be ready for Clottey but we can’t be ready for Mayweather by March”. He said this when the fight was first proposed, exactly in the prime. Even Manny’s people knew, that’s why Bob talked him into PULLING OUT OF THE AGREED FIGHT. As if anything could be more clear than that.

You predicted that the fight would happen five years too late and that Manny would be a one armed fighter due to a shoulder injury?!?? I knew you were really smart and compassionate Ron, but I never realized you had super powers as well. Should I just call you Nostradamus from now on, seeing as how you can call things EXACTLY as they will be years in the future?!? You’re really impressive man!

Great point about Roach saying Manny needed more time to prep for the ATG Mayweather than for the one dimensional Clottey. If the ability to predict the future wasn’t impressive enough, your ability to make salient and relevant points like that is truly impressive. I mean, Roach admitted Manny would need more time to prep for a tricky defensive fighter, what more do we need!?! Well, I’m obviously out of my league in this discussion.

I owe you a debt of gratitude for your insight Ron. Not like slimtrae, who took the time to provide specific and relevant examples of why he feels Manny loses (susceptibility to length/jab similar to Morales, and countering similar to JMM). He was providing good analysis, but not once did he condescend with false bravado or feel the need to broadcast any super powers or special abilities. I tell you buddy, calling Manny a dope just highlights the value of your posts on here. Great stuff- consistently nuanced and complex.

[powerpuncher]

When the fight was first pushed to happen, I predicted a Floyd KO. I still believe that. I don’t think Pacquiao has the style to beat Floyd.