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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Why was AJ so poor?
    He bought into his own hype. Going to basketball games, being a celebrity....not everyone can do that and keep focused.


    Yes he should change trainers

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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Why was AJ so poor?
    He bought into his own hype. Going to basketball games, being a celebrity....not everyone can do that and keep focused.


    Yes he should change trainers
    If that is all true then changing trainers will not help him. If it is his attitude and mindset then this should be a huge wake up call but I think it is something more than that. I can believe he was injured before the fight as he looked a shadow of himself in that ring. AJ has faced Ruiz type opponents before and dealt with them easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    If that is all true then changing trainers will not help him. If it is his attitude and mindset then this should be a huge wake up call but I think it is something more than that. I can believe he was injured before the fight as he looked a shadow of himself in that ring. AJ has faced Ruiz type opponents before and dealt with them easily.
    Sometimes trainers can reign that focus in. Look at Tyson with Cus & Rooney vs with anyone else. He wasn't injured, he just fought a stupid fight because he thought he was invincible. Give up height, give up reach, give counter punching opportunities galore...yeah he gave up all his advantages and Ruiz wasn't just there to lie down and this is what happens.

    Train right, use height, reach, control distance and pace, tie up when hurt, and this isn't an issue at all
    Last edited by El Kabong; 06-05-2019 at 07:19 AM.

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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Povetkin was the closest to Ruiz stylewise and he broke AJs nose, wobbled him and won the opening 4 rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Povetkin was the closest to Ruiz stylewise and he broke AJs nose, wobbled him and won the opening 4 rounds.
    Povetkin was at least still seemingly dangerous....Ruiz was looked at like he was a Carebear and no threat at all. Ergo AJ's willingness to give up height, reach etc.

    Hippopotamuses don't LOOK dangerous but they kill a bunch of unsuspecting people and that's exactly what happened to AJ...first he's thinking "awww a chubby little hippo" and next thing you know he's been demolished.


    Again the bad part is this wasn't just a 1 punch surprise or a follow up after 1 punch, this was a nightmare on repeat.....this will seriously damage AJ's career. He won't be the same fighter in that he'll probably never have that confidence to color outside the lines in a fight ever again. He's going to have to turn himself into a robot in order to get back to being the best. That's a hard mountain to scale.

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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Yes is the answer to this question. No need for over analysis on that one. I think it's obvious he does


    also surprised to hear that after getting bounced off the canvas 4 times, suffering concussion and taking a sustained beating Joshua was ahead on one of the cards at the time of the stoppage so the fix was in regardless as it was with Katie Taylor n josh Kelly earlier in the night who got saved by dodgy scorecards

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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Everyone knows better now. I'm already sick of hearing what AJ should do or should not do.

    Wait for the rematch, let him get the KO and shut up.

    Ruiz is just a tourist to those belts. He got lucky, didn't deserve a title shot, didn't against Parker, although he fought well and might have edged it out and definitely didn't deserve the fight with AJ. But he took advantage of it and got the W.

    As for AJ ?

    • He has to be taught to fight big and tall.
    • He has to be taught to use his ramrod jab.
    • He has to be taught to punish his opponents with right inside uppercuts.
    • He has to be taught to learn to clinch and use weight size strength.

    AJ's stamina isn't as bad as ppl think. The Klitschko's had that "empty tank" look too, always had to open their mouths open, always looked tired. Joshua breathing heavily doesn't mean he's done. He's a really big guy and with those muscles, you need to breathe heavy to get enough oxygen in.

    His trainer (Rob McCracken) got the Amateur GB gig then stayed on with AJ. His only real experience of note before that was training Carl Froch. And let's be honest, Froch had to rely on having a granite chin. Froch was slow, flat-footed and quite predictable and couldn't box very well.

    I've no idea who could do a better job for AJ. There are no names who immediately jump out. There's Adam Booth who has a great boxing brain and IQ but he's a bit weird and he is already invested in a bunch of fighters and just took Joe Joyce on.

    Ruiz totally negated AJ's jab and McCracken was screaming at AJ to keep doing the same 1-2, and to keep him long. It wasn't working. At some point you have to switch it up. More right hand leads, more 2-3 combinations to the body and head, etc... Whatever he was doing wasn't working... Switch it up...

    A new trainer I think can make him better in there to utilize his strengths better with some dirty tactic stuff he could probably use, but I don't expect him to start moving his head if he isn't at this point in the game. In any case I think its fair to say he's maxed out with McCracken.

    But whoever is in AJ's corner next time things will be completely different. When I head Andy Ruiz say "mom we don't have to struggle no more" I knew he'll have a hard time defending those titles. He's not even Buster Douglas. AJ also isn't Tyson.

    Ruiz looks to me like one of those impatient fighters that needs something dramatic to happen in his fights otherwise he loses interest and gets disheartened. Joshua needs to box intelligently and he'll take Ruiz out without any doubt. The shot that dropped Ruiz wasn't even close to AJ's best punch. If anything it showed AJ can hurt him EASILY.

    The only reason AJ lost that fight is because he tried to finish Ruiz, opened up recklessly and Ruiz hit him with two good left hooks.

    The fight should have been over in the third round. Ruiz even allowed AJ to hang in there, survive for a few more rounds when he was badly hurt and didn't even want to fight anymore. Why? Because Ruiz isn't really that good. He couldn't even really hurt zombie Liakhovich. Again, Ruiz is very likable but not an elite boxer. He just isn't. He was irrelevant before the fight and he'll be irrelevant after the rematch, most likely. That's just how it is, nothing against him, very nice guy, very good kid. Not a long time heavyweight champ.

    "anything can happen, it's heavyweight boxing" blablabla, most overused phrase in the sport? In sport in general? Yeah, upsets happen every now and then, it just happened, calm down, take a seat, watch the rematch, world keeps turning.
    Last edited by Denilson-The-Comeback; 06-09-2019 at 04:47 AM.

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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback View Post
    Everyone knows better now. I'm already sick of hearing what AJ should do or should not do.

    Wait for the rematch, let him get the KO and shut up.

    Ruiz is just a tourist to those belts. He got lucky, didn't deserve a title shot, didn't against Parker, although he fought well and might have edged it out and definitely didn't deserve the fight with AJ. But he took advantage of it and got the W.

    As for AJ ?

    • He has to be taught to fight big and tall.
    • He has to be taught to use his ramrod jab.
    • He has to be taught to punish his opponents with right inside uppercuts.
    • He has to be taught to learn to clinch and use weight size strength.

    AJ's stamina isn't as bad as ppl think. The Klitschko's had that "empty tank" look too, always had to open their mouths open, always looked tired. Joshua breathing heavily doesn't mean he's done. He's a really big guy and with those muscles, you need to breathe heavy to get enough oxygen in.

    His trainer (Rob McCracken) got the Amateur GB gig then stayed on with AJ. His only real experience of note before that was training Carl Froch. And let's be honest, Froch had to rely on having a granite chin. Froch was slow, flat-footed and quite predictable and couldn't box very well.

    I've no idea who could do a better job for AJ. There are no names who immediately jump out. There's Adam Booth who has a great boxing brain and IQ but he's a bit weird and he is already invested in a bunch of fighters and just took Joe Joyce on.

    Ruiz totally negated AJ's jab and McCracken was screaming at AJ to keep doing the same 1-2, and to keep him long. It wasn't working. At some point you have to switch it up. More right hand leads, more 2-3 combinations to the body and head, etc... Whatever he was doing wasn't working... Switch it up...

    A new trainer I think can make him better in there to utilize his strengths better with some dirty tactic stuff he could probably use, but I don't expect him to start moving his head if he isn't at this point in the game. In any case I think its fair to say he's maxed out with McCracken.

    But whoever is in AJ's corner next time things will be completely different. When I head Andy Ruiz say "mom we don't have to struggle no more" I knew he'll have a hard time defending those titles. He's not even Buster Douglas. AJ also isn't Tyson.

    Ruiz looks to me like one of those impatient fighters that needs something dramatic to happen in his fights otherwise he loses interest and gets disheartened. Joshua needs to box intelligently and he'll take Ruiz out without any doubt. The shot that dropped Ruiz wasn't even close to AJ's best punch. If anything it showed AJ can hurt him EASILY.

    The only reason AJ lost that fight is because he tried to finish Ruiz, opened up recklessly and Ruiz hit him with two good left hooks.

    The fight should have been over in the third round. Ruiz even allowed AJ to hang in there, survive for a few more rounds when he was badly hurt and didn't even want to fight anymore. Why? Because Ruiz isn't really that good. He couldn't even really hurt zombie Liakhovich. Again, Ruiz is very likable but not an elite boxer. He just isn't. He was irrelevant before the fight and he'll be irrelevant after the rematch, most likely. That's just how it is, nothing against him, very nice guy, very good kid. Not a long time heavyweight champ.

    "anything can happen, it's heavyweight boxing" blablabla, most overused phrase in the sport? In sport in general? Yeah, upsets happen every now and then, it just happened, calm down, take a seat, watch the rematch, world keeps turning.

    What do you think of George Foreman putting himself in the mix as a trainer?
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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Quickest way to know if you need a new trainer is to ask the trainer to assess what went wrong and listen to his answer. From the way it looks Joshua had no idea what hit him. He started thinking he would obviously control the distance due to power and reach. Ruiz literally had to just stand there really and wait for Joshua to tee off and then punch with him. Ruiz got the worst of the first one and the best of the second. After that Ruiz knew he had it if he just kept punching. This may always be in Joshua's head no matter when the rematch is. The question is whether Joshua is willing to face his demon and do what he needs to do. Train focused and fight mercilessly like he believes something was taken from him that he wasn't done with yet. Ive see him do interviews about giving back to the youth and etc. sounding like he already planned his exit. He's a nice guy that you hope everything works out for in life... but this is boxing and while you're on the clock its either you or the other guy. Joshua has to be willing to pump that jab into Ruiz's melon till its pulp, Throw his hook after his jab and cross to catch Ruiz jumping in. On the inside tie up Ruiz and work the body and lean on him....convince Ruiz its only going to be worse for him if he gets up.

    Right now i don't see it. If he doesn't find it, he'll make Ruiz look like tyson or tua next time around.
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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Quote Originally Posted by J_Undisputed View Post

    Right now i don't see it. If he doesn't find it, he'll make Ruiz look like tyson or tua next time around.
    Tua was who I had in mind when Ruiz was throwing in bunches at the final knockdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Povetkin was the closest to Ruiz stylewise and he broke AJs nose, wobbled him and won the opening 4 rounds.
    Povetkin was a cheat.

    An old, out of prime cheat.

    Ban him, Ortiz and Miller for life.

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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Povetkin was the closest to Ruiz stylewise and he broke AJs nose, wobbled him and won the opening 4 rounds.
    Povetkin was a cheat.

    An old, out of prime cheat.

    Ban him, Ortiz and Miller for life.
    The point is that AJ came back to beat Povetkin but was unable to against Ruiz who I would say is not as good as Povetkin that night. AJ was not the same fighter, it was Frank Bruno.
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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    The point is AJ struggles with fighters with fast hands

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    Default Re: Should AJ change trainer?

    I wonder who does Lennox think can handle such a task.

    I read that two years ago Floyd welcomed AJ to train at his spot. Lennox got Steward about 4 years in the game whereas AJ is 6 years into his style.

    If he can avoid Shots to the head, maybe next time out is different.
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