Reparations for slavery...... yay or nay?

**Gandalf** · 07-01-2019 06:11 PM

I think there is a huge difference in mentality here though and that is that if you want something you have to work at it to get it. Put it into perspective, not only was there the Japanese occupation where they did really horrendous things like try and eradicate culture and use violence to coerce, there was then a massive war that killed millions, but is anyone using that as an excuse as to why they are struggling? Japan give me some money! No, of course not. Actually there is a dislike of Japan, but it is not being excused as a reason why some people are remaining directionless and poor in the here and now. So if you are going to use the oppression argument, then you could apply it here as well as anywhere, but people instead actually choose to better themselves and just work hard.

**Beanz** · 07-01-2019 08:42 PM

So Gandalf you obviously have not read it either. You come to any subject with your mind made up.

You read enough guff about Wilde, read something else for a change.

**Gandalf** · 07-01-2019 09:01 PM

I read snippets, but am not persuaded. I believe in equality of opportunity meaning parents have a duty to be there for their kids and for education to be on tap, but beyond that you can either make good or bad decisions and that is up to you. Society provides enough for the disadvantaged already.

**Gandalf** · 07-01-2019 09:03 PM

Yes, I will read something new after. Thank you for the advice.

**Beanz** · 07-01-2019 10:10 PM

Part of the problem is this automatic assumption of attributing a settling of accounts with monetary reparations and the clearly agenda driven language of "handouts".

So for example when Jamaica asked the UK under PM Cameron about reparations, the UK started to work out a financial solution but Jamaica did not want a penny. For them that was an insult. They wanted an acknowledgement, an apology and a commitment to work together on educational and community projects.

Camerons own ancestor was a white slave owner that not only made a fortune from that labour he was compensated at the end of slavery. An amount equivalent to about three million pounds today.

**Beanz** · 07-01-2019 10:14 PM

A practical example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ation-45979234

**Gandalf** · 07-01-2019 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Beanz

A practical example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ation-45979234

It is a terrible precedent. I completely disagree with Geoff Thompson. Also, who cannot afford to graduate? There is a loans system for those who go to University and what does that person have to do with slavery that was abolished a very long time ago? I have a local friend here who did not go to University because his Dad died young and he got a job and worked his way up. You don't have to go to University and if you do then you can save up and then go or you can take out loans. The idea that it has anything to do with slavery is ridiculous. It is insulting to the people of today as it is basically saying that they cannot compete without a hand held out. It is condescending.

Living in the past is no way to get ahead for the future. It is a dichotomy I see in the left. They are almost scared to let people rise or fall on their own merits and those alone.