Reparations for slavery...... yay or nay?

[Beanz]

So Gandalf you obviously have not read it either. You come to any subject with your mind made up.

You read enough guff about Wilde, read something else for a change.

[Gandalf]

I read snippets, but am not persuaded. I believe in equality of opportunity meaning parents have a duty to be there for their kids and for education to be on tap, but beyond that you can either make good or bad decisions and that is up to you. Society provides enough for the disadvantaged already.

[Gandalf]

Yes, I will read something new after. Thank you for the advice.

[Beanz]

Part of the problem is this automatic assumption of attributing a settling of accounts with monetary reparations and the clearly agenda driven language of "handouts".

So for example when Jamaica asked the UK under PM Cameron about reparations, the UK started to work out a financial solution but Jamaica did not want a penny. For them that was an insult. They wanted an acknowledgement, an apology and a commitment to work together on educational and community projects.

Camerons own ancestor was a white slave owner that not only made a fortune from that labour he was compensated at the end of slavery. An amount equivalent to about three million pounds today.

[Beanz]

A practical example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ation-45979234

[Gandalf]

A practical example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ation-45979234

It is a terrible precedent. I completely disagree with Geoff Thompson. Also, who cannot afford to graduate? There is a loans system for those who go to University and what does that person have to do with slavery that was abolished a very long time ago? I have a local friend here who did not go to University because his Dad died young and he got a job and worked his way up. You don't have to go to University and if you do then you can save up and then go or you can take out loans. The idea that it has anything to do with slavery is ridiculous. It is insulting to the people of today as it is basically saying that they cannot compete without a hand held out. It is condescending.

Living in the past is no way to get ahead for the future. It is a dichotomy I see in the left. They are almost scared to let people rise or fall on their own merits and those alone.

[Gandalf]

The one thing I will say though about University education is that it is ridiculously expensive and so people should consider whether they really need it. I mean if you are going to get into 40 grand of debt to serve coffee, then you probably should not have gone to University. It's an interesting one. However, I do not think it should have anything to do with slavery. That's a social issue of the here and now and that is it as far as I am concerned.

[Beanz]

A practical example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ation-45979234

It is a terrible precedent. I completely disagree with Geoff Thompson. Also, who cannot afford to graduate? There is a loans system for those who go to University and what does that person have to do with slavery that was abolished a very long time ago? I have a local friend here who did not go to University because his Dad died young and he got a job and worked his way up. You don't have to go to University and if you do then you can save up and then go or you can take out loans. The idea that it has anything to do with slavery is ridiculous. It is insulting to the people of today as it is basically saying that they cannot compete without a hand held out. It is condescending.

Living in the past is no way to get ahead for the future. It is a dichotomy I see in the left. They are almost scared to let people rise or fall on their own merits and those alone.

Wow. Seconds later and you revert to the same conditioning. You adore the idea that everyone is looking for handouts while you are a shining example of what you presume is a level playing field. You are not mate. Wake up. You are an able bodied straight white male and even in South Korea that means you do have advantages others do not. In fact i would argue more so and that is maybe why you choose not to do the same job here. Universities are businesses that often make a lot of money and if one chooses to use some of that money to support students not like you then why does it bother you so much?

It is like you bullshit "Society provides enough for the disadvantaged already" lie.

It is something you trot out to avoid engaging with the realities of OTHER people's lives.

Nobody but you is talking about living in the past. People are talking about facing up to the past and moving on. You meanwhile are in denial. start thinking for yourself. Don't give up now at your age and just repeat crap from people who could not even graduate from the course you teach.

"Living in the past is no way to get ahead for the future. It is a dichotomy I see in the left. They are almost scared to let people rise or fall on their own merits and those alone."

That is not you speaking. It is just you repeating rubbish. You are on the one hand telling us all about the importance of tradition and the values inherited from something of which you have little knowledge and then telling us to dismiss the past and history. Then you are lumping anyone who doesn't agree with your plastic soundbite arguments of being from 'The Left'. That is just daft.


There is no acknowledgement of people's merits from you or your denial buddies though is there? The automatic response is laughter, derision, stereotyping, etc.



Read the article and educate yourself - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ations/361631/