Just throwing this out there

[Beanz]

Yeah.... Norm is sure to come in here and lambaste someone.


Look, you've got a large and complex family as do just about every one of us. There's all types in a family. Thus, we tend to defend all those types. It's only natural.

My point (which I've been consistent with, but somehow always gets distorted) is that no type of lifestyle, sexual preferences, or gender beliefs, should ever be pushed on society as a whole.

Now, you may disagree on that and that is your right.

But complaining about naked men in ball sacks in a Pride parade isn't automatically a pass to call these people homophobic, intolerant, or whatever..... like the proverbial Monopoly card that tell you to move directly to "GO."

You of all people, who have grandchildren, I would assume you try to teach some sort of decorum and public decency guidelines to these kids.

And here again..... teaching kids values is not an automatic pass to "you're brainwashing them or indoctrinating them on hate."

That is a ridiculous assertion to make, and akin with pulling out the double-barrel shotgun to shoot the mosquito.

We all have our "buttons" in life. Those topics that are a bit more sensitive than others. That is normal and does not make one inferior, intolerant, or abnormal.

Is the guy in the video an "authority"? Most certainly NOT. He's just an average Joe stating his opinions. If you chose to, you could make your own YouTube and refute everything the guy said. It would still be only an opinion.



Another point of mine (and one of my "buttons" sort to speak), is the inclusion of children in this whole LGBTQ issue. I'm adamant about letting children be children. There will be enough time for them to make up their own minds about things.

Kids need not have to see grown men wearing dildo hats down a public street parade. You might call that open-mindedness and freedom of expression. I call it lack of common decency values and lack of common sense.

Were it a STRAIGHT PARADE and it was the women wearing the dildo hats..... and men humping women all the way down the street...... I'd feel THE SAME WAY.

But you and Fenny don't seem to understand that..... in your own ways. You with your trigger-sensitive emotions ready to come out in the raw........ and Fenny only too happy to take the opposite side of whatever the fuck I'm saying. (You've got to be totally miserable to hang on another person's every word and thought like that just so you can pounce and attack it. Some sad shit there).



So finally..... does the guy in the video make some good points? I think he does. Do I agree with every single word? Probably not. But it's telling that many young people are being turned off by the movement, as evidenced by GLAAD's own surveys.

None of my family to my knowledge are gay, bi or transgender, (though i have in-laws that have just married as two gay women) so it is nothing to do with defending 'those types'. I have friends that are gay and work colleagues and probably without being too presumptuous I should imagine among the many actors, dancers, theatre directors, artists, spoken word performers, performance artists, poets and musicians I work with, there are probably more gay people than in many professions. I have been lucky to work with Peter Tatchell , Amnesty and other prominent gay and human rights campaigners as a dyed in the wool hardcore SJW until I die , so maybe that is why I am a little bit more tolerant than the hipster in the video.

I don't see how holding a Pride parade for one day a year can be interpreted as a lifestyle, sexual preference or gender belief being pushed on society as a whole. Surely that is evidence of the complete opposite? I mean it's one day and you can quite easily avoid it if you want to.

I haven't called anyone homophobic it was the bloke in the video telling us all how he found the whole Pride thing "really annoying" and just "something we will tolerate". I don't think that kids are that easy to influence or shock even by gay men in g-strings. Most kids would either ignore it or just laugh. That doesn't mean people thinking such flamboyant or risque clothing choices are not something they want their kids to see are brain washing their kids, anymore than those gay families with kids or straight families with gay kids are brainwashing their kids by deciding to go along to the event anyway.

I don't think the guy in the videos opinion is a very well thought out or considered opinion but nowhere am i saying he should not be free to express it. His complete misunderstanding of why minority groups are often ashamed and why counter culture is all about saying 'Fuck you' to such an idea, marks him out as a rather empty vessel with a captive audience of similar simple minded people who think that wearing a suit is some kind of expression of decency. I mean should women in straight parades of celebration never wear skimpy bikinis and see thru clothing or is it just the men who should put some clothes on? As somebody who makes a living photographing and filming people in various states of undress from boxers and ring card girls to models and pole dancers I don't think you can start putting lines there on behalf of what everyone belives. If you are conservative and don't want your kids not to see blokes in a pair of shorts, don't take them to the boxing

You are so far away from reality with your idea that I am displaying 'trigger sensitive emotions' when I reply in the way I do, that there is probably little point in me repeating myself, but I will. I write, sometimes in a rather visceral and unvarnished way because I love to write and that is part of my style. I can't be bothered to dress up stuff on a forum in which we are all supposed to be kicking back and should know each other by now. I am probably far more dispassionate and certainly less demonstrative than you in person for many reasons, some cultural , some to do with personality but you often mistake black, matter of fact , very British humour as an attack. Fenster, your favourite person, is much more laconic than me but i can see a lot of humor in what he writes.

I don't know when to shut up and use a hundred words where one would do, so I apologise for rambling and hope you have a lovely weekend untroubled by gyrating men in ball sacks.

[El Kabong]

So context doesn't matter at all? Boxers are just the same as someone prancing around the street in a banana hammock?

Do you take your grandchildren off to those pole dancing shoots? Why not? It's just "various states of undress".

When he's talking about suits he's trying to say that one may have pride in a certain aspect of their life, but they can also present themselves with grace and dignity....or conversely they can flop their cocks around in front of all age groups because Beanz knows for certain that children aren't all that impressionable.

[TitoFan]

I don't see how holding a Pride parade for one day a year can be interpreted as a lifestyle, sexual preference or gender belief being pushed on society as a whole. Surely that is evidence of the complete opposite? I mean it's one day and you can quite easily avoid it if you want to.

No. Having one parade a year does not, on its own, constitute a lifestyle, sexual preference or gender belief being pushed on society. Yes. They can be easily avoided if you want to. However, the parade is just an outwardly expression of the whole movement, isn't it. It's a very public, press-covered event. The vast majority of parades, to my knowledge, at least attempt to operate within some bounds of common decency. Obviously if a group wanted to parade down Main Street while stark naked and performing acts of bestiality with a variety of farm animals, I'm pretty sure the authorities would have a bit of a problem with that. Freedom of expression be damned, I tend to give the human race a bit of credit when it comes to knowing where to draw the line.

Also, it's not just the parade for parade's sake, is it. It is the celebration of how the whole movement has taken a life of its own. Which goes back to part of what that annoying bloke on the video was saying. Getting past the fact that the guy may very well be homophobic himself, I wouldn't trash the whole message just because the guy probably doesn't like gays. All many of us have been forever been trying to say is that civil rights movements can exist without the aggressive nature of the LGBTQ agenda.

If an organization such as GLAAD itself says that the percentage of youth being turned off by the LGBTQ movement has risen, it shouldn't be taken as an affront against the rights of gay people, or a call to arms. It should be taken like any other survey or study should be taken.... at face value and for whatever message is being delivered. The question should be, "Why is this the case?" I'm not here to provide the answer nor is that part of the purpose of this post.

I don't think that kids are that easy to influence or shock even by gay men in g-strings. Most kids would either ignore it or just laugh.

Ok that is your opinion and you are totally entitled to it. I on the other hand believe kids are very easily influenced. Their minds are still pliable. Those are the forming years for the rest of their lives. Men in g-strings humping each other down the street? I doubt they'd just ignore it..... depends on the age I guess. Most would probably ask a million "why's" on the way home, and it would serve the parents right for taking them to see a Pride parade in the first place.

I mean should women in straight parades of celebration never wear skimpy bikinis and see thru clothing or is it just the men who should put some clothes on?

No one is differentiating between men and women here, and we both know that is a deflection tactic that rarely works.

I am probably far more dispassionate and certainly less demonstrative than you in person for many reasons, some cultural , some to do with personality but you often mistake black, matter of fact , very British humour as an attack.

Sure there might be some of that. But we should be careful not to use that cultural difference stuff as a crutch. I consider myself pretty adept at being able to differentiate between a different sense of humor, and a personal jab dressed up as humor. I'm sure you'd probably say the same things about yourself.

Fenster, your favourite person, is much more laconic than me but i can see a lot of humor in what he writes.

Laconic would be but one of several words I could add, but yeah.... seems accurate enough.

I don't know when to shut up and use a hundred words where one would do, so I apologise for rambling and hope you have a lovely weekend untroubled by gyrating men in ball sacks.

Not to worry. After sifting through volumes upon volumes of your heated arguments with Lyle and Miles.... I'm aware you're prone to extensive prose.

Also nice ending quip. But again not to worry. In my list of "to do" things, I'm pretty sure watching a Pride parade is somewhere between watching the grass in my backyard grow..... and inviting Fenster out for a beer.

[p4pking]

Sigh.