Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
Where's Willie Pep? Guy wins 229 fights and he can't make this list?!?!?! Where's Henry Armstrong? Guy wins 151 fights and he cant' make this list? 19 times defending his welterweight title and he doesn't make this list?!?!?!

Again, Joe Louis ranks below Ali, WHY? "No one touches ‘The Greatest’ for cultural, social and political impact" ....oh fuck off with that bullshit. Great fighter, yes no one doubts it, but again 25 in a row from 1938 to 1950 undefeated as champion JOE LOUIS the Greatest Heavyweight Champion of All-Time STATISTICALLY VERIFIED


Now I look at fighters and think "On any given day, MAYBE this guy beats that guy" and if I'm looking at that and ONLY that then maybe Ali rates higher, Holyfield and Foreman certainly rate higher looking at it that way, maybe Larry Holmes rates higher but in the ring in actual competition Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano accomplished a whole hell of a lot and it cannot be denied simply by saying "Well look who they fought" their eras were what their eras were and there's no controlling that they didn't duck guys the way Sven Ottke did or wait out opponents like Floyd has...they just fought who was there, no bullshit.
The algorithm can't produce what Lyle wants, it has NOTHING to do with personal bias, cultural, social or political impact.

You don't know anything about Pep, Armstrong, Marciano's or Otkke's "opposition" apart from what you've read (the odd fight/clip doesn't count).