The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

I will address your points one by one.

OK. Another white supremacists that will try to masquerade their internal chaos into a form of rationality

1. If you think I think black people are all stupid then you have misunderstood my points

You don’t even have a leg to stand on as long as you don’t deliver a clear definition of what you actually write about.
If you’re saying that physical features determine “race” which exactly are those features ? Applying circular logic, the answer would be “the features group members share based on their region of origin”. And then again, what are those features ?

And no it's not because everyone is the same.

There are persistent and real genetic differences that cluster within so-called racial groups (and more so than many have heretofore believed) Yet these differences still fall far short of indicating sub-speciation, which is the normal standard used by biologists to indicate different “races” or breeds of a larger species.

It has never been a case of there not being differences between the way human beings look. The trouble is in the imprecise taxonomy. How do you define a “race” and might there not be other equally valid ways of dividing humans into taxonomical groupings ?

We acknowledge that human beings adapt to their geography to some extent – but not enough to become different *kinds* of human beings.

Now, if you choose to call the differences in groups “races” it stretches the original meaning of the word.

But let’s accept that for a moment. You want races so badly, then guess what ?

I'll give them to you.

But you’re going to need more races (based on genetic variance) than they culled of in the past centuries. And the races won’t be arbitrarily colour-coordinated. There will be several European races, many Asian races, and a large number of African races.

There is no resistance to accept “race” as a biological concept

The point is, there is no scientific proof for it. Full stop. However, the fact that is truly remarkable in all of this is how keen certain people are on proving the biological validity. Or to see it proven. All that effort would be much better invested in research for genetically based disorders.

It’s also understandable when serious scientists (like me) are sick and fucking tired of debunking guys like you over and over again. After all, I'm busy enough with proper research that might become truly beneficial for mankind.

And how about “White people or "Asians”

They are certainly less genetically diverse than Blacks, but they obviously have genetic variance between say… Scandinavians and Italians or Anglo Saxons and Spaniards… but evidently, those genetic differences are somehow never linked to intelligence ?

Guys like you don't want to theorize on which group of White or Asian people are the least intelligent.

Who are the genetically dumber and disadvantaged Whites ?

If there is enough genetic difference for them to have different hair color, eye color and different average height, then why not intelligence?

The answer is because this is not science, it’s politics and to ask that question does not serve the political goals of guys like you.

You don’t want to face the idea that you might belong to the dumbest group of White or Asian people in your little hierarchy. So you theorize that “Whiteness” or "Asian-ness" simply makes all Whites and Asian just as capable, and all Blacks equally disadvantaged.

2. How would you define dumb?

You are the one who is making the claim. This is why I don't like getting into debates with guys like you because you don't know what the fk you talking

3. You see yourself as inferior whence barking on about the evils of white men day in day out refusing to accept you have agency.

Yes I am inferior. I can't compete with you white man (lol) Your the man. Your so intellectually superior to me I can't compete.

Now what ?

What do you do with a race of inferior black people ?

Is the white man making so many black men abandon their children? Look at the single mother rates 50 years ago and today. Surely you can see that behavior has changed and not just in the black community.

What you are saying is false and a lie and see this is a common thing white supremacist try to do.

They say a lie like "Black people commit 70% of murders" and then they try to get black people to defend that lie



First off can you explain to me why Iceland (One of the whitest countries you can find ? Has the highest rates for father-lesness ?



Why would a white person want to talk about black illegitimacy ? You don't care. Because if you were truly concerned about illegitimacy, you'd also be just as concerned about white illegitimacy too.

Your understanding of the Black community. Out of wedlock birth does not mean what conservative whites project it does in Black households. Most of those children still have two parents that just decided to cohabit instead of marry. That phenomenon isn't just taking place in Black America, some all white European nations also have exceedingly high out of wedlock births.

The same is happening to a lesser degree in the Hispanic and White communities.

This is just "I'm and I say so"

@Gandalf says "The same is happening to a lesser degree in the Hispanic and White communities"

Questioneer "How do you ?"

@Gandalf

Things go wrong when there are no male role models and if the mother is someone prone to making bad decisions, then you have social problems.

Barack Obama was the perfect black man. He had no kids out of wedlock. Happy marriage. Didn't do crime or drugs. Went 2 Harvard. Good role model for kids

And as I've said many times say what you want about his presidency

Him personally ?

There was not 1% of personal scandal on that term throughout his two terms

Did that stop him from getting racism ?

No.

So once again - What point are you trying to make ?

I personally think welfare makes lazy people dependent. Get the cat on a treadmill and earn its food. Don't let it sleep all day.

Well in that case then you should look the white community



The real welfare queens are uneducated single and white and the the biggest beneficiaries of the government safety net is working-class whites also where is your outrage over corporate welfare ? That's where most welfare spending goes all to the top 1%

Once again.

Your talking point sound good on stormfront. They sound good when your around family and friends. They sound good when no-one is there to check them

[Gandalf]

Same style as before.

1. We call African Americans that because many of them do originally come from Africa. For sure there will be different tribes or ethnic groups within a huge continent like Africa. There have been many tribes within the UK too, but because of evolution those groups have more in common than the tribes of East Asia do. They do not look alike, they tend to differ physically, and it turns out that the brains appear to operate somewhat differently in terms of average intelligence. Is that really such a terrible thing, does it mean people cannot get along despite their differences? It is you casting about language like 'sub species' here and that is incredibly racist. All I say is that research and evidence tells us differentials exist and again and again you are told that there are amazing people in any group. What troubles you so much?

What do you even mean when you say that I 'want races so badly'? Your language sounds emotional and strange. I don't want anything except to know the truth. It doesn't make me emotional to know that the average Japanese person is smarter than the average British person. It is just data, information, a way to understand, and in my view to also LEARN. Some societies do things better than some societies and others do things worse whence my arguments about nurturing, but more on that later.


2. I am glad that you are carrying out research that will help humanity. You have a good heart.

In the battle of IQ differentials you will find a lot of common overlap between Europeans as they have evolved fairly similarly. Most of the people in Northern Europe have evolved slightly differently, but in terms of intelligence the numbers are pretty steady. America is the most interesting case though because it is the same country and still differentials are being produced. Now there has to be a reason why Blacks and Hispanics don't do as well as whites who are in the middle and Asians and Ashkenazi Jews who are way ahead. If IQ tests are a white mans tool, then those Asians must be the supreme shape shifters and if you want to know which Asians do the best generally? The Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, and so on. Again they have a closer historical evolutionary bond than the Celts, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Romans etc. did or indeed do. They evolved differently as everyone around the world has.

3. Actually I am trying to read through your post, but it is so meandering and convoluted, I am not sure where to go with it at times. Yeah, I guess as a historical Normal probably crossed with some Angle blood, I might not be as smart as many other people in this world and that's nature for you. I would also argue that nurture played a role as I was poor, homeless, nutrient deprived, emotionally deprived etc too, but I guess though my Dad abandoned me, he did leave me with a brain that did work pretty well and that was my get out card. But imagine if I had been nurtured and given nutrients and all those glorious things! The potential! And even then I have done okay, despite some messy hangovers and a bit of surgery here and there.

That's all I really want is to see people raised with love and to fulfill their potential the best that they can and as I argued before that comes with a man and a women displaying a little bit of responsibility and doing things properly. I could rage and impregnate and fill my heart with nihilism, but I realize that it is a road to nowhere. Rap is a genre that particularly promotes nihilism. As does a bunch of friends mocking you for listening to your teacher. As do parents who do not give you the time of day. That's where I start with all of this. Once you work on nurture, then you can think about nature a little bit later on, but you should never ignore facts.

4. No, you are not inferior at all and you should stop talking like that. That you are engaging and doing it pretty civilly, unlike someone else who cannot do that, and that is cool. I feel no superiority over you in the slightest. We are all just different and as individuals most of all, but there are many overlaps as we are just human and not 'sub species'.

5. You brought up Obama there and I think he is a solid man in terms of how he carried himself in some ways. He was also a war criminal who did very little to encourage black self responsibility and also worked for vested interests. However, I can see that he is a smart man and I have no beef with him in that regard. Credit to any man that raises his children well.

6. It is a fact that 3 quarters of black children are born out of wedlock and no that does not mean that none of them have a father or do not know their father. However, the black community is more likely to have an absent father than any other group. That is also because so many tend to carry out crimes that they did not to do. The black divorce rate is higher. It is better to be raised in a loving marriage as it is a contract of loyalty and again should be entered into with responsibility and care. I do think any broken family regardless of race is harmful either knowingly or unknowingly and it happens far too often. In the black community a child is twice as likely to be sexually abused because stand in fathers can be very questionable. Not only did the mother choose a bad man, but she then chose a child abuser. That is sick. But yeah, I agree with you that absent fathers are a huge problem in the West in general and I know how harmful it is. It certainly doesn't help a child or set a good example.

7. Nope. You won't find me on Stormfront or anything like that. My values are simple traditional values and I think it all starts with tidying your room. Jordan Peterson should be required reading in schools rather than books about how great being a transgender is. Sort out the basics and go on from there. I am not interested in race conflict or being superior. I just want to see a better life for children and that will in turn make things better for all and it starts with good old fashioned self responsibility and making good choices and it starts with choosing your partner carefully and working as a team otherwise government will always be the bailout option and it negates any progress.

[Gandalf]

No more on this topic for me as I am too busy to post like that all the time.

[Cleon]

I better stay out a here