The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

[Gandalf]

I think you are missing the prior exchanges and somehow ignoring his glaring accusations. For instance, I am the last person on earth to be ignoring the problem of single motherhood in the white community. I am not the one declaring that I will go down fighting or calling anyone sub human. I have basically been saying 'sort it out' and 'show some agency'. Go back and address Denilson's quirks. I was reasonable and then in the end stated reasonably 'If you don't like it then go somewhere nice'. If the most tolerant country on earth is not good enough for him then nothing will please him. It's a long moan and he thinks he is inferior. A shrink might help.

[Gandalf]

You are right when I say I do not have the time. A verbal debate is fine, but it takes time to type and frankly I have work to do, so yes 'Cheer up or find a new paradise' are my only words of consolation. At the end of the day the facts exist and there is not a whole lot I can do to increase IQ among groups beyond encouraging agency and good behavior.

[p4pking]

I may have missed something, obviously he can be and has been nasty in the past as we all have, but I was just talking about this thread. he was making a good argument and cited more facts than you did by a long ways, also asked some very blunt questions you didn't attempt to answer. Yet you continue to make lengthy posts claiming it's a matter of time, all the while saying nothing. Itd be funny if you meant it to be.

[Gandalf]

I am the one that has been stating factual information. The fact is that IQ differences exist between racial groups. That was the civil starting point. Dennis is the one trying to suggest that we do not know what race is or that it is not clear. I have agreed and said that there are different White, Black and Asian ethnic groups. I also pointed out that tribes of similar origin tend to have similar intelligence traits. Thus the typical German is similar to the typical Brit in terms of IQ. The Korean is similar to the Japanese. Their genes and evolution are more similar than that of the other races. They have evolved differently over time which some researchers suggest is a genetic component. It will obviously affect the appearance and the internal structure such as disease proclivity and thinking mechanisms.

I have been fair in saying that actually Asians have stronger families and study harder too meaning that is probably also a factor. I have been clear in saying I hope this is a significant difference. The first sentence is a fact. The final part is not a fact. It is opinion.

I am not too sure what facts you are refering to. Denilson bullet points a thousand different things and at the same time as hating on the evils of the white man is making a case that race is not well defined. He is all over the place.

At the end of the day it is a fact that if you put an East Asian in any environment they will tend to be top. There is a lot of evidence on this and Denilson is so hung up on the white man thing he doesn't seem to notice that I am saying Asians do the best job of raising intelligent children in strong family environments. As is the fact that there are high and low level performers in any group. These are all facts, man. Read up on it and find for yourself.

It is not all racism as Dennis likes to claim. Far from it. It all starts with self responsibility and that is an opinion based on observation. It starts with something as simple as choosing a good partner which white people are very guilty of not doing.


The insanity of suggesting I do not pay attention to white broken families after all these years of talking about precisely that is preposterous. When I point out out of wedlock numbers, black incarceration rates, etc. these are easily verifiable facts. The sad reality is that all too many condemn themselves with poor decisions.

When that is pointed out our emotional friend will rant about 'going down fighting'. How about chill the fuck out and be a normal human being? Thus if he doesn't like it then do what I did and fuck off somewhere. I've a feeling he won't find what he is looking for because the problem is inside. It is something I learned too and life is better once you adjust and take responsibility. That is an opinion.

[Master]

Thus high IQ is dependent on environmental factors not race.

[walrus]

I may have missed something, obviously he can be and has been nasty in the past as we all have, but I was just talking about this thread. he was making a good argument and cited more facts than you did by a long ways, also asked some very blunt questions you didn't attempt to answer. Yet you continue to make lengthy posts claiming it's a matter of time, all the while saying nothing. Itd be funny if you meant it to be.

And then he breaks out the Nazi shit

[Gandalf]

The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

[walrus]

The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

Isn’t everything brother D posted here for so long about race? Isn’t that central to his whole belief system

[TitoFan]

The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

Isn’t everything brother D posted here for so long about race? Isn’t that central to his whole belief system

I'm not sure, but I seem to have been afflicted by some bug which must've come from him.

[Gandalf]

The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

Isn’t everything brother D posted here for so long about race? Isn’t that central to his whole belief system

Nah, race is not real, gender is not real, and IQ means nothing. Get with the program you sad 20th century type.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

Isn’t everything brother D posted here for so long about race? Isn’t that central to his whole belief system

When, or if, black people begin lynching, raping, oppressing, exploiting, shooting, jailing, whipping, maiming, torturing, evangelizing, robbing, stereotyping, bullying, bombing, segregating, building highways and thruways to dislocate businesses, communities and neighborhoods; creating sun down towns, experimenting on, discriminating against, prohibiting, murdering, holding back/controlling in every imaginable way while hating white ppl en mass via de jure and de facto racism for hundreds of years, then and only then will saying to any black person that "race is central to their whole belief system" make sense

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

Well Hitler did not just come out and say

"Hey. German people. We're just gonna kill six millions Jew. Are you cool with that ?"

No. No. That's not how it works.

The first stage was to dehumanize them

They are seen as less than human, stupid, as animals or a kind of disease. So killing them was no longer murder – it was just ridding the country of something bad.

And the first people killed in any genocide are those in the mainstream who speak up for them. That's what Hitler did. Now the message of hate goes unchallenged.

This is why the likes of Mandela was locked up. Colin Kapernick was kicked out the NFL etc. MLK shot

Read Mein Kampf.

Genocides unfold stages.

Stopping it at any one stage, stops the genocide from going forward.

Racism grows and feeds off a culture of silence. The point of calling out racism is to break down that silence.

It doesn't matter if I persuade anyone.
It doesn't matter if I “win the argument”.

What matters is that you were heard and planted that seed in people’s minds of, “Hey, maybe this is not right.”

Take Elizabeth Eckford.



She was one of the first nine black students to go to Little Rock Central High School in the American South. That school was a racist hell for her – because the 90% who were not giving her sh*t would not stand up to the 10% who were. The American civil rights movement succeeded when people stopped being cowed by fear of standing up to racists.

And I'll say this

Calling out racism matters more when it comes from whites.

Why ? Because most ppl (especially whites) think white people are way more objective and neutral about racism than blacks.

Black people calling out racism ? Whites generally discount what blacks say, it is part of your cultural conditioning, but they still hear it. They hear what we say and, just as important, what we do not say. If something racist goes down and blacks say nothing, whites will assume that it is “okay”. Especially since many whites assume blacks are “oversensitive”.

A bully will always start off with an instant comment, they do this because, if you react they can do what your doing "Hey, you know, just joking, ya know, it's not that serious"

Nope. It's very serious because when you look at the fked up racial history of America that's because racism was not shut down at stage one.

[Gandalf]

Dennis, you are confused.

I think Black people in the West deserve the same rights and opportunities as anyone else. I believe in equality of opportunity which is WHY I stress the importance of raising a child in a stable loving environment or else not having children. I apply the same logic to anyone. The only person calling anyone subhuman or calling people animals here is you.

Mandela was locked up because he was a terrorist. He was responsible for murder. However, that is what happens when you deny people their rights and opportunities. I was against Apartheid.

I do not agree with suppressing anyone. All I am doing is saying that the scientific data is what it is and that things can and should be done better and it starts in the home. Not ending in a concentration camp. You go off onto these wild tangents when I have tacitly downplayed genetics perhaps in denial of what smarter minds than I think.

I have seen different cultures and that is where I think culture is crucial. I think I would have benefited a lot from private tuition. Wouldn't you have?

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

You are right when I say I do not have the time. A verbal debate is fine, but it takes time to type and frankly I have work to do, so yes 'Cheer up or find a new paradise' are my only words of consolation. At the end of the day the facts exist and there is not a whole lot I can do to increase IQ among groups beyond encouraging agency and good behavior.

It does take time to respond. It took me hours to write that IQ post and it's not something I'm gonna do often.

My wife wonders whether it makes sense to spend so much time and energy responding to your Nazi claims

Because let's be clear - The bedrock of Nazi ideology was the intellectual superiority of the Aryan race and the inferiority of the negro race.

It would be nice not to have to respond to you, but the fact is, guys who think like you have been cited approvingly by conservative columnists and talking heads, guys who think like you are in serious positions of power. Donald Trump is often doing racist dog whistles about IQ

So given the appeal of racist logic to so many, and given the strength of institutional racism as a defining force, I can hardly afford the luxury of ignoring your position, so as to “not give you legitimacy.”

The fact is that racism already enjoys plenty of legitimacy

Ignoring this reality isn’t likely to diminish its strength, but I will always-always challenge it because frankly what saying is horse-sh*t.

Because for many reasons that I've pointed out and another one is that intelligence is not something quantifiable you can’t measure how intelligent someone is, because to begin with you would have to be able to define intelligence very specifically and that can’t be done because intelligence, like many words that define brain functions is an umbrella term that describes several properties of thought(communication, reasoning, understanding) working in tandem

Finally it is absurd to rest a moral claim about how a society should be structured, upon the claims of scientists. There are always different scientists who have different evidence. If you think science can settle moral questions, you need only look at the debate and differing scientific opinions over climate change to see how wrong such an assumption can be.

[walrus]

You are right when I say I do not have the time. A verbal debate is fine, but it takes time to type and frankly I have work to do, so yes 'Cheer up or find a new paradise' are my only words of consolation. At the end of the day the facts exist and there is not a whole lot I can do to increase IQ among groups beyond encouraging agency and good behavior.

It does take time to respond. It took me hours to write that IQ post and it's not something I'm gonna do often.

My wife wonders whether it makes sense to spend so much time and energy responding to your Nazi claims

Because let's be clear - The bedrock of Nazi ideology was the intellectual superiority of the Aryan race and the inferiority of the negro race.

It would be nice not to have to respond to you, but the fact is, guys who think like you have been cited approvingly by conservative columnists and talking heads, guys who think like you are in serious positions of power. Donald Trump is often doing racist dog whistles about IQ

So given the appeal of racist logic to so many, and given the strength of institutional racism as a defining force, I can hardly afford the luxury of ignoring your position, so as to “not give you legitimacy.”

The fact is that racism already enjoys plenty of legitimacy

Ignoring this reality isn’t likely to diminish its strength, but I will always-always challenge it because frankly what saying is horse-sh*t.

Because for many reasons that I've pointed out and another one is that intelligence is not something quantifiable you can’t measure how intelligent someone is, because to begin with you would have to be able to define intelligence very specifically and that can’t be done because intelligence, like many words that define brain functions is an umbrella term that describes several properties of thought(communication, reasoning, understanding) working in tandem

Finally it is absurd to rest a moral claim about how a society should be structured, upon the claims of scientists. There are always different scientists who have different evidence. If you think science can settle moral questions, you need only look at the debate and differing opinions over climate change to see how wrong such an assumption can be.

Brother Bid D you just quoted a white guy to prove your point