Today in Trump

[Spicoli]

Anyone who aligns themselves as the chosen one

They didn't become racist under Trump. They came out the closet under Trump. The Proud Boys, neo Nazi movement, American Renaissance movement, The Evropa, Aryan brotherhood have all claimed a spike in membership since Drumpf came to power.

The Proud Boys aren't racist, their current leader is Afro-Cuban. One of the Proud Boys arrested for the fight in New York vs Antifa is John Kinsman.


That's John Kinsman and his family....so I guess he's a what? Racist? Bigot? Hate monger? He's going to jail for defending his friends vs Antifa, I mean I'm sure he'll appeal but yeah that's a Proud Boy.


Just sayin' I wouldn't lump the Proud Boys in with "white nationalists" just because the media tells you to. I've got no link to that group, I just am not one for willy nilly lumping everyone together. Now I know they've kicked out a fair few 'white nationalists' from their group and they seem to be accepting of other races so perhaps and maybe this is crazy, but perhaps they are just people who are "Western Chauvanists" as they say they are


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OK poked around about 15 minutes to gather where I got my info on Proud B & others.
That dude presides over a chapter in a city. To which he seems a lot like Sheriff David Clark of Milwaukee who defended KKK, Neo Nazi as free speech, then wanted to declare Black Lives Matter as a terrorist organization. For every white guilt Democrat, maybe there is a black sellout?
Tarrio, who identifies as Afro-Cuban, is president of the Miami chapter of the Proud Boys, who call themselves “Western chauvinists,”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-yo...emacist-groups


His words are consistent with: Democrats are racists, they want us all on welfare and we kill our own, so why bother cops who do it.

He goes on to talk about hiphop culture of violence. Yet he has nothing to say about the Clear Channel radio corp (1200 stations +) that promotes it. Companies like Miller Life & Coors that promote their tours or the printing presses that allot for massive slots to those who rap about violence.
I did a history of rap on boxing24 got about 30 likes, most ever. for a single post [see Tramell] It was a thread denouncing rap as black and violent.

a history of rap that didn't turn that way until Rick Rubin brought out a dope dealer named Eazy E and his NWA.
Up to that point, Kurtis Blow, Melly Mel, Boy Wise of Poor Righteous Teachers, KRS Boogie Down Produtions U know of them!- transitioned dance rap (Afrika Bambaata & Soul Sonic Force, Sugar Hill Gang...into conscientious rap. British/English white dudes got down with Kraftwerk to Malcom Mclaren.
Once Rubin got NWA started...somehow most record deals were no longer provided to those who rapped about peace like Professor Griff, De La Soul, Rakim & Eric B.


And for the record one request: please don't lump me in as watching, reading liberal media, just because someone disdains Trump or calls out whites who are bigoted to racist doesnt make them a liberal. I dont have cable dont know what is on CNN, MSNBC.
https://officialproudboys.com/


My take on proud boys is their own web site. Gavin McInn I thought started ProudB. He desires a western culture that is white per his many quotes. Unless this link of his quotes are biased? My take on The Evopra is their website. My take on the rise of white nationalism is looking at Stormfront.
https://www.azquotes.com/author/36002-Gavin_McInnes

From Ron Paul to Brit Hume, to George Will, all of whom quit the party stating it is Trump's party, not Republican, now they are liberal? Establishment? We have a right to say -we are using the sources of white supremacists like the dead porno king pimp in Nevada who won in a christian district to the Neo Nazi Arthur Jones who won Republican primary by saying he would make Chicago white again to the Trump Tea Party Rep who said she was glad to see a ape in heels leave the White House for a dignified lady.

Thank you for your peaceful dialogue as we disagree and argue like men, not bigots. If I offended in any way I apologize!

Just a minor aside and haven't heard those names for a long time but have to ask..when did Rubin start Eazy E and NWA and when was Professor Griff considered peaceful . De La Soul and more like minded hip hop blew up during and after the remnants of NWA was being reamed by Cube.

[El Kabong]

Now to respond to @SlimTrae 's post that I didn't get to...

Alright then, where was I?

The thesis statement of the article you posted is: "Patriot Prayer’s leader is half-Japanese. Black and brown faces march with the Proud Boys. Is the future of hate multicultural?" which some people will read inquisitively like "Hmm, that's interesting, I wonder what this journalist found out about that?" and I read as "OK here's why not only white people are now white supremacist...it's because we don't have any argument so we have to label them as something nobody wants to be because we cannot wrap our minds around their logic and reason". Basically the author is like a 6 year old and accusing Proud Boys of having cooties. Well try as you might if the 6 year old's mind is dead set on you having cooties then buddy you're stuck with cooties. So that article is probably not the most friendly to the Proud Boys (not that it HAS to be, but it's not an honest take). '“Western chauvinists,” and “regularly spout white-nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.' yeah the SPLC who is currently being sued by Gavin McInnes for defamation and it's hemorrhaging leaders for reasons like SEXISM and RACISM (kinda ironic no?) so I'm not so sure their take is going to be without a slant to it. In the article the OK hand gesture is referred to as "an apparent "White Power" hand gesture". I've got a BS meter and it redlines when anyone is questioning an OK sign....it also redlines when people list their preferred pronouns which is off topic but still, my BS meter is fairly good. Perhaps one of these days I'll make a list of what is considered "White Supremacist" by the current media types and we can all read through and have a laugh...probably easier to make a list of what is NOT considered White Supremacist, 4chan trolls really fucking broke those people, that and a lack of critical thinking.

From what I can tell, and I'm no member, I've had 0 interaction with the Proud Boys and I've got 0 desire to join up...they seem to enjoy Liberty, they enjoy our rule of law, they like beer, they are unappologetically pro West in this case West meaning Europe, UK, America. They venerate/celebrate the entrepreneur & the housewife, they lament the dwindling of Men's Clubs of the olden days (Masons, Knights of Columbus, Shriners, Elks, etc)....and I guess this is what gets them in the most trouble....when they are set upon violently, they respond in kind....and that is just about it.

As for the quote, I assume this one: "I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate into a Western, white, English-speaking way of life" is what you're talking about. I've searched for it, I'd like to find it in context. Some of the other quotes had been cited as being from this or that. I wouldn't be shocked if Gavin said exactly that...I don't see it as being some 'Stormfront' shit as he's not talking about killing or removing groups of people it seems though he's wanting the American "melting pot" to do it's thing before what made America is overshadowed by people who don't understand or don't care to live the way Americans live. The "white" part in there I don't know does he mean that ONLY white people is the way to go? I'm not so sure because if he was of that belief then why would non-white not only join Proud Boys but be WELCOMED in Proud Boys?

"the Neo Nazi Arthur Jones who won Republican primary by saying he would make Chicago white again" I looked that up, he was the ONLY one to run (ergo his "winning" of the primary and the Illinois State Republican Party disavowed him. What made the Jussie Smollet case unbelievable to me is the exact same thing that made me question that....."Republicans in Chicago" It's just not a Republican city AND it's corrupt as hell, so any chance there's a "evil racist Republican" around has me thinking is he a Fed? is he a Democrat plant to make them look better by comparison?Surely any Republican that would run in Chicago would be more liberal, that would be the only way to compete there. I mean you wouldn't say ok here's our candidate Dan Lipinski (who holds the seat his father held for so long) and here's a Nazi...be sure to vote it just doesn't happen. Also Nazism is antithetical to Republicanism/Conservatism.

Ron Paul is more Libertarian, Brit Hume is a journalist not a politician, George Will is a journalist and your quintessential Washington insider. Dennis Hof ran for Nevada State legislature in 2016 (as a Libertarian) and 2018 (as a Trump Republican) he won in 2018....a Christian district sure, but what does that matter? What point are we making here? He could have been carrying Libertarians all the time and just a few Christians put him over the hump. Could have been people voted straight ticket Republican and it put him over, could have been people appreciated his support for Trump . Some people are hypocritical in how they vote some are hypocritical in how they lead.


As for Enrique Tarrio's comments on hip-hop culture and racism, meh. I don't think he spoke (or was quoted) eloquently on the issues faced by the Black community. Like any other community it's not 1 issue, it's not 1 thing, I mean if I had to boil it down personally I'd blame LBJ and the War on Poverty, but there's so much nuance to the issues faced by Black people today and there's not going to be a simple fix from anyone not from Trump not from anyone. In the hip-hop culture 'gangster rap' is a big deal, it's a large part of it but I wouldn't say that causes violence anymore than I'd say metal causes violence or Marilyn Manson or whomever. I think artists write about their lived experiences or their imaginations same as authors or screenwriters. Some hip hop artists celebrate the gangster lifestyle but that's no different than any movies from the 1930's up to today (the bad guys always goes down at the end). Other artists lament having to go through that right of passage....some write about there being another way. I think music is a beautiful thing, I'm not one who is immersed in the hip hop culture (shocking to nobody ) but there's plenty I enjoy Young MC 'Bust a Move' is classic, Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock 'It Takes 2', Biz Markie, LL Cool J, 'Tennessee' by Arrested Development was my jam for the longest time, and I still will like all the gangster stuff too....music is music like movies are movies blaming them for one thing or another is silly they are born of a culture as much as they impact a culture, it's like which came first the chicken or the egg? That said, Tarrio can have his opinions on those things, it's not hurting anybody it's just his view and intelligent debate and discussion is the pathway for mutual enlightenment.

Many thanks for your posts.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

In the hip-hop culture 'gangster rap' is a big deal, it's a large part of it but I wouldn't say that causes violence anymore than I'd say metal causes violence or Marilyn Manson or whomever. I think artists write about their lived experiences or their imaginations same as authors or screenwriters. Some hip hop artists celebrate the gangster lifestyle but that's no different than any movies from the 1930's up to today (the bad guys always goes down at the end). Other artists lament having to go through that right of passage....some write about there being another way. I think music is a beautiful thing, I'm not one who is immersed in the hip hop culture (shocking to nobody ) but there's plenty I enjoy Young MC 'Bust a Move' is classic, Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock 'It Takes 2', Biz Markie, LL Cool J, 'Tennessee' by Arrested Development was my jam for the longest time, and I still will like all the gangster stuff too....music is music like movies are movies blaming them for one thing or another is silly they are born of a culture as much as they impact a culture, it's like which came first the chicken or the egg? That said, Tarrio can have his opinions on those things, it's not hurting anybody it's just his view and intelligent debate and discussion is the pathway for mutual enlightenment.

Many thanks for your posts.

Dude. What hip hop are listening to ? Have you even listened to hip hop in the last ten years ?

It's all about Lil Yachty, Lill pump, Lil Uzi Vert, Chief Keef, Kodak Black, Desiigner, Future, Migos Young Thug and this mumble rap sh*t.

Words you barely understand and even if you do it's usually about money, women and drugs. Pppl want something that sounds nice that that they can get drunk and dance to in the club and that's were most hip hop is.

Gangsta rap is like 25 years ago. Lil Pump and his "Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang!”" That it's ain't nothing gangsta about these autotuned clowns with millions of tats.

This is what most hip hop is these day (Mumble Rap can't understand a word they say, talk about crap shit)



It’s just mainly about the beat and to me they have catchy beats. They don’t really care about what words they say.”

Don't get me wrong there's always place for "Move bitch, get out the way" and these tunes and not every tune should have a deep meaning. Even back in the day you still had your "Baby got bk" tunes but some may say that “real hip-hop” died with Biggie and Pac, but mumble rap is the nail in the coffin and if you've been paying attention that's what most rap is.

This is what I listen to



Not your type of music. You look like more a Green Day fan

Here you go

[El Kabong]

Well I prefaced that with the caveat "I'm not one who is immersed in the hip hop culture (shocking to nobody)...

So yeah that ain't really what I go with on the day to day.


Mumble rap? Yeah, not my thing.


Akala?




Green Day?



What I listen to depends on the day and my mood, let's see right now I'm feeling a little old school rock'n'roll

[walrus]

It’s very sad many young African Americans don’t honor Motown and the blues, some of the best music made.

[El Kabong]

It’s very sad many young African Americans don’t honor Motown and the blues, some of the best music made.

Or Jazz.... what nobody likes Jazz

[walrus]

It’s very sad many young African Americans don’t honor Motown and the blues, some of the best music made.

Or Jazz.... what nobody likes Jazz

I like Jazz, especially as a base player but it always had a nook. I wish jazzclubs were more frequent but as long as you make it to a city you are good. So all due respect to Miles and the Birdman but blues had such an enormous impact on music and when was the last time you heard anyone talk about Motown, I hear jazz mentioned more frequently than Motown artists

[walrus]

In the hip-hop culture 'gangster rap' is a big deal, it's a large part of it but I wouldn't say that causes violence anymore than I'd say metal causes violence or Marilyn Manson or whomever. I think artists write about their lived experiences or their imaginations same as authors or screenwriters. Some hip hop artists celebrate the gangster lifestyle but that's no different than any movies from the 1930's up to today (the bad guys always goes down at the end). Other artists lament having to go through that right of passage....some write about there being another way. I think music is a beautiful thing, I'm not one who is immersed in the hip hop culture (shocking to nobody ) but there's plenty I enjoy Young MC 'Bust a Move' is classic, Rob Base & DJ EZ Rock 'It Takes 2', Biz Markie, LL Cool J, 'Tennessee' by Arrested Development was my jam for the longest time, and I still will like all the gangster stuff too....music is music like movies are movies blaming them for one thing or another is silly they are born of a culture as much as they impact a culture, it's like which came first the chicken or the egg? That said, Tarrio can have his opinions on those things, it's not hurting anybody it's just his view and intelligent debate and discussion is the pathway for mutual enlightenment.

Many thanks for your posts.

Dude. What hip hop are listening to ? Have you even listened to hip hop in the last ten years ?

It's all about Lil Yachty, Lill pump, Lil Uzi Vert, Chief Keef, Kodak Black, Desiigner, Future, Migos Young Thug and this mumble rap sh*t.

Words you barely understand and even if you do it's usually about money, women and drugs. Pppl want something that sounds nice that that they can get drunk and dance to in the club and that's were most hip hop is.

Gangsta rap is like 25 years ago. Lil Pump and his "Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang!”" That it's ain't nothing gangsta about these autotuned clowns with millions of tats.

This is what most hip hop is these day (Mumble Rap can't understand a word they say, talk about crap shit)



It’s just mainly about the beat and to me they have catchy beats. They don’t really care about what words they say.”

Don't get me wrong there's always place for "Move bitch, get out the way" and these tunes and not every tune should have a deep meaning. Even back in the day you still had your "Baby got bk" tunes but some may say that “real hip-hop” died with Biggie and Pac, but mumble rap is the nail in the coffin and if you've been paying attention that's what most rap is.

This is what I listen to



Not your type of music. You look like more a Green Day fan

Here you go

https://.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G...&start_radio=1

[Spicoli]

Did this man seriously hold up a doctored chart of Dorians projected path complete with magic marker to include Alabama . Jebus flipping Christmas

[palmerq]

Did this man seriously hold up a doctored chart of Dorians projected path complete with magic marker to include Alabama . Jebus flipping Christmas

Trumps oval office presentations are becoming more like the office each day :S...

[Beanz]

Did this man seriously hold up a doctored chart of Dorians projected path complete with magic marker to include Alabama . Jebus flipping Christmas

If it is any help British politics has gone so far beyond pantomime if a script writer had dreamt it up, even a few years ago, nobody would believe them. We have a home secretary who was formerly sacked for secretly meeting with foreign powers, a tax evading chancellor who as a former banker helped create the financial meltdown the general public bailed banks out of and a Prime Minister famous for being a buffoon, liar and disasterous foreign Secretary.

[Gandalf]

Did this man seriously hold up a doctored chart of Dorians projected path complete with magic marker to include Alabama . Jebus flipping Christmas

If it is any help British politics has gone so far beyond pantomime if a script writer had dreamt it up, even a few years ago, nobody would believe them. We have a home secretary who was formerly sacked for secretly meeting with foreign powers, a tax evading chancellor who as a former banker helped create the financial meltdown the general public bailed banks out of and a Prime Minister famous for being a buffoon, liar and disasterous foreign Secretary.

As a man who knows about British culture and history you will know that shenanigans in politics is a very British tradition. There has always been incredible corruption. Some really are beyond all law and that has not changed. You have TV yet again interviewing a war criminal about Brexit. All one can ask is 'Why?' Corrupt to its core and it always has been. Centuries of it.

[Beanz]

Did this man seriously hold up a doctored chart of Dorians projected path complete with magic marker to include Alabama . Jebus flipping Christmas

If it is any help British politics has gone so far beyond pantomime if a script writer had dreamt it up, even a few years ago, nobody would believe them. We have a home secretary who was formerly sacked for secretly meeting with foreign powers, a tax evading chancellor who as a former banker helped create the financial meltdown the general public bailed banks out of and a Prime Minister famous for being a buffoon, liar and disasterous foreign Secretary.

As a man who knows about British culture and history you will know that shenanigans in politics is a very British tradition. There has always been incredible corruption. Some really are beyond all law and that has not changed. You have TV yet again interviewing a war criminal about Brexit. All one can ask is 'Why?' Corrupt to its core and it always has been. Centuries of it.

The corruption in this cabinet is off the scale. They are lapping it up and you are at best making excuses for them. You just sound like a Tory apologist and always have.

[Master]

Did this man seriously hold up a doctored chart of Dorians projected path complete with magic marker to include Alabama . Jebus flipping Christmas

If it is any help British politics has gone so far beyond pantomime if a script writer had dreamt it up, even a few years ago, nobody would believe them. We have a home secretary who was formerly sacked for secretly meeting with foreign powers, a tax evading chancellor who as a former banker helped create the financial meltdown the general public bailed banks out of and a Prime Minister famous for being a buffoon, liar and disasterous foreign Secretary.

As a man who knows about British culture and history you will know that shenanigans in politics is a very British tradition. There has always been incredible corruption. Some really are beyond all law and that has not changed. You have TV yet again interviewing a war criminal about Brexit. All one can ask is 'Why?' Corrupt to its core and it always has been. Centuries of it.

The corruption in this cabinet is off the scale. They are lapping it up and you are at best making excuses for them. You just sound like a Tory apologist and always have.

The Tories have messed up Brexit over the last 3 years, they could have negotiated a deal and got it through parliament. Instead they lost their majority calling an unnecessary election, tried to make a poor and desperate deal to go through parliament which failed, got a buffoon in charge who lied that he is trying to make a deal when really he wants to leave without one.

I still believe in the democratic process and we will get there in the end.

[Beanz]

Did this man seriously hold up a doctored chart of Dorians projected path complete with magic marker to include Alabama . Jebus flipping Christmas

If it is any help British politics has gone so far beyond pantomime if a script writer had dreamt it up, even a few years ago, nobody would believe them. We have a home secretary who was formerly sacked for secretly meeting with foreign powers, a tax evading chancellor who as a former banker helped create the financial meltdown the general public bailed banks out of and a Prime Minister famous for being a buffoon, liar and disasterous foreign Secretary.

As a man who knows about British culture and history you will know that shenanigans in politics is a very British tradition. There has always been incredible corruption. Some really are beyond all law and that has not changed. You have TV yet again interviewing a war criminal about Brexit. All one can ask is 'Why?' Corrupt to its core and it always has been. Centuries of it.

The corruption in this cabinet is off the scale. They are lapping it up and you are at best making excuses for them. You just sound like a Tory apologist and always have.

The Tories have messed up Brexit over the last 3 years, they could have negotiated a deal and got it through parliament. Instead they lost their majority calling an unnecessary election, tried to make a poor and desperate deal to go through parliament which failed, got a buffoon in charge who lied that he is trying to make a deal when really he wants to leave without one.

I still believe in the democratic process and we will get there in the end.

That is the refreshing thing about Corbyn. Less of this tribal nonsense. You can of course by left or right wing and want to see Brexit enacted but to fucking risk war in Ireland and vandalize anything positive that the EU has enabled to make it happen, is beyond stupid. It is also deeply unpatriotic as is selling the UK down the river to America at a time when they are led by a ninkenpoop.