Who a fighter is (to some) depends on who he's fought (or not)

[Fenster]

Fury/AJ fans (isn't that an oxymoron?) are correct if they say Ortiz is old (in boxing terms) and a drug cheat (he's TWICE been caught juicing).

Wilder fans are correct if they say Ortiz is dangerous (Wilder survived by the skin of his teeth in a life or death fight) but wrong if they say Ortiz is avoided (he's fought one championship level fight in his career, the reason Wilder fans overplay him is obvious... he's Wilder's best win. Fact. Wilder's best win is a man that's never fought an alphabet champion let alone beat one, yet is represented by the most powerful men in boxing)

Well I guess we know which side you are on now

I didn't realise there was a "side?" I provided facts, that's all. (I have no idea what this thread is about)