The Brexit Thread

[Master]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

[Gandalf]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

[Beanz]

The real motivating force behind a No-Deal Brexit and the elephant in the room that tory apologists like Gandalf and foreign elite wannabes like El Kabong and Walrus buy into after a sustained right wing propaganda campaign by people like Murdoch who can so easily manipulate them.

On 1st January 2020, the next stage, of the EU’s attempt to curtail tax avoidance, comes into law in all EU member states.

As of this date British courts and HMRC will be able to delve into the, at present, secret world of corporate tax evasion using third party states, i.e. Tax Havens.

If a withdrawal agreement is signed with the EU, Britain enters a transition period to negotiate our future trading arrangements. During this period all EU legislation is still applied to the UK. Meaning the tax arrangements of our richest most powerful companies and individuals will be laid bare for all to see.

Crashing out without a deal, which even Brexiteers freely admit will have a very negative impact on the British economy, means this Anti Tax Avoidance Legislation will not be implemented in the UK.

This is the motivating force behind a no deal exit. To keep the financial dealings of Jacob Reece-Moggs Somerset Capital, Farage’s tax loophole exploitation, the Russian money backing Arron Banks and the off shore activities of thousands of our ELITES secret.

If you truly want an extra £350M a week for our NHS, to provide dignity for our ageing population, to invest in our future with better schools and give the emergency services the tools they need to keep us safe... Then this legislation, removing loopholes and “off-shoring”, is the pill our failing democracy and capitalist system needs.

[Master]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

[Gandalf]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

[Beanz]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

Actually it is you that presents a false picture because like El Kabong you are a bullshit artist. You use one poll of a mere 1500 people to present what you claim is current popular sentiment.

Reality Check

Here is an average of four well respected proper polls

[Beanz]

And another

[El Kabong]

Fine then get them to stay Beanz, what do I care I'm a foreign trustafarian elite wannabe after all so what do I care of Britain?

[Gandalf]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

Actually it is you that presents a false picture because like El Kabong you are a bullshit artist. You use one poll of a mere 1500 people to present what you claim is current popular sentiment.

Reality Check

Here is an average of four well respected proper polls

Come on then, if you are so convinced, then bring on the election. 35 times requested....then denied when offered. They know that beyond students who haven't worked and foreign London they are leaking voters left right and center. I don't mean that as a loose expression either.

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

[Kirkland Laing]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

You've managed to get it wrong again. What I said was that the "deal" isn't a deal, it's a standstill agreement while we spend the next few years working out the terms and conditions of the actual deal. It keeps the customs union/single market in place while we negotiate our new terms of trade and commerce with the EU. The deal then goes to every EU member parliament and they all have the right to veto it which means a few years if we're very lucky and any resultant deal will be far worse for Britain than the deal we have now. Just leaving the EU doesn't mean we walk away from half our economy. We still have to negotiate how half our economy will be able to supply its goods and services to our biggest market (half our fucking economy). That isn't going away.

[Master]

So a no deal brexit is not the end of the process only the start of the negotiations which may take years.

[Kirkland Laing]

So a no deal brexit is not the end of the process only the start of the negotiations which may take years.

Not may. No way it happens under three years. Imagine the economic carnage of no deal for over three years. Hundreds of billion pounds worth of trade with the EU, millions of jobs dependent on it, millions of other jobs dependent on the milliond of EU jobs pumping that money into the economy...........

And then any deal would have to be ratified by every EU parliament. Greece want the Elgin marbles back? Spain and Gibraltar? The fucking French? Imagine the state of any deal after everybody gets paid.

[Kirkland Laing]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

rashing out without a deal wasn't mentioned during the referendum campaign. Only by the leave people as never going to happen. They were going to negotiate a free trade deal, access to the single market but still with the right to prevent immigration. We were able to have our cake and eat it. "We hold all the cards" in the negotiations Britain was told. If the option had been crashing out with no deal we would have voted overwhelmingly to stay in.
C


“Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history.” – Liam Fox, International Trade Secretary.

“The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” – Michael Gove, Secretary of State for Environment, April 2016.

“Within two years – before negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete and therefore before anything material has changed – we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at point of exit.” David Davis



and so on.


Wait till all the idiots who voted for this because we'd be able to reduce immigration find out that the resulting economic shock/massive recession mean that we're going to have to import millions more immigrants than we otherwise would have had to. And they won't be Poles and northern Europeans either. Maybe Boris could get a bunch of Republican politicians to fly over and explain to Britain that the Poles and northern Europeans are actually the good immigrants.

And wait till we're alone and desperate and trying to make a trade deal with other countries while we're no longer part of the world's biggest economy/trading bloc:


REVEALED: Turkey seeks free trade deal with Britain in exchange for freedom of movement

TURKEY wants a free trade deal with the United Kingdom in exchange for free movement of people.

Previously unreported comments by the Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim suggest the country wants to broker a deal that would allow its citizens to move freely between Turkey and the UK.
Speaking alongside Theresa May in Ankara last month Mr Yildirim said talks would be initiated with the UK about a free trade deal simultaneously with the talks Turkey has begun about modernising the Customs Union.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eedom-movement