The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

[Beanz]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

Actually it is you that presents a false picture because like El Kabong you are a bullshit artist. You use one poll of a mere 1500 people to present what you claim is current popular sentiment.

Reality Check

Here is an average of four well respected proper polls

[Beanz]

And another

[El Kabong]

Fine then get them to stay Beanz, what do I care I'm a foreign trustafarian elite wannabe after all so what do I care of Britain?

[Beanz]

Fine then get them to stay Beanz, what do I care I'm a foreign trustafarian elite wannabe after all so what do I care of Britain?

It is not about staying it is about the manner in which we leave and respecting Parliamentary Sovereignty, the entire reason you in your rush to ignorance touted as the justification of Brexit. It seems that it was just another bullshit fake news lie. You are willing the UK into absolute chaos and economic vandalism, at the behest of traitorous cunts in Government who stand to benefit from that ruination. You and your corrupt President are a far more dangerous threat than the fake commie enemies you dream up to justify your paranoia and simple mindedness regarding the EU.

[El Kabong]

Fine then get them to stay Beanz, what do I care I'm a foreign trustafarian elite wannabe after all so what do I care of Britain?

It is not about staying it is about the manner in which we leave and respecting Parliamentary Sovereignty, the entire reason you in your rush to ignorance touted as the justification of Brexit. It seems that it was just another bullshit fake news lie. You are willing the UK into absolute chaos and economic vandalism, at the behest of traitorous cunts in Government who stand to benefit from that ruination. You and your corrupt President are a far more dangerous threat than the fake commie enemies you dream up to justify your paranoia and simple mindedness regarding the EU.

Where's the part where the vote on the referendum, the voice of the people is respected? Does that matter at all? The PEOPLE voted, the PEOPLE chose Brexit but you are on the side of Parliament why? Because it's opposed to Trump and Bannon and whomever else you deem as corrupt and traitorous.....by the by how exactly is it "traitorous" to want Britain to stand up proudly on it's own as it has whenever it has made history? I guess they should have welcomed Hitler across the Channel and avoided the Blitz altogether, same outcome...you'll be part of a Europe run by Berlin through Belgium.


Are we excited to have young Brits conscrpited into military service in the EU Armed Forces? Are we excited to see riots like France and the yellow vests?

[Beanz]

The politicians are all traitors to democracy.

England has no democracy that is a fact.

A very sad day, but not a day we didn't think would happen with all the spineless liberals in charge..

This is democracy in action and is beautiful to see.

Be proud, no one voted for a no deal brexit, they all said a deal will be made. The conservatives have blown the last 3 years and should have delivered. They are to blame not liberals.

Nowhere did it say anything about a no deal , it was a choice of remain or leave.
You can not go into negotiations without being able to say - sorry I don't want your deal = no deal.
They will offer us a crap option if we have to accept a deal.
You liberal remainers have got what you wanted basically the no deal crap is just other spin for REMAIN.
Which is not what people who voted for brexit wanted, you got outvoted and we got shafted.

FACT.

The politicians are all traitors to democracy.

England has no democracy that is a fact.

A very sad day, but not a day we didn't think would happen with all the spineless liberals in charge..

Fine then get them to stay Beanz, what do I care I'm a foreign trustafarian elite wannabe after all so what do I care of Britain?

It is not about staying it is about the manner in which we leave and respecting Parliamentary Sovereignty, the entire reason you in your rush to ignorance touted as the justification of Brexit. It seems that it was just another bullshit fake news lie. You are willing the UK into absolute chaos and economic vandalism, at the behest of traitorous cunts in Government who stand to benefit from that ruination. You and your corrupt President are a far more dangerous threat than the fake commie enemies you dream up to justify your paranoia and simple mindedness regarding the EU.

Where's the part where the vote on the referendum, the voice of the people is respected? Does that matter at all? The PEOPLE voted, the PEOPLE chose Brexit but you are on the side of Parliament why? Because it's opposed to Trump and Bannon and whomever else you deem as corrupt and traitorous.....by the by how exactly is it "traitorous" to want Britain to stand up proudly on it's own as it has whenever it has made history? I guess they should have welcomed Hitler across the Channel and avoided the Blitz altogether, same outcome...you'll be part of a Europe run by Berlin through Belgium.


Are we excited to have young Brits conscrpited into military service in the EU Armed Forces? Are we excited to see riots like France and the yellow vests?

With a bit of actual effort and hard work in stead of swanning about posting memes when you should be working, you may eventually drag yourself up to the position of gullible idiot. It will be a long hard slog and you will have to start thinking for yourself, instead of having your 'opinions' and 'facts' drip fed from your usual swill buckets, but it will be worth it. Then you can start learning how to actually put up your first shelf and hopefully some friendly soul will give you a bookend to stop your first Steve and Don book falling off the end.

And fuck you, for having to stoop so low to comparing the European Union with Hitler and the Blitz. Five of my siblings have a German mother. They have family there in Germany. They have worked there and their mother despite being a German Jewess is welcome here in the UK, now living as a UK citizen. She has contributed so much. You are such an ignorant fuck it is embarrassing. Both my grandfathers fought in the second world war, my fathers youngest sister was killed in the blitz you inconsiderate kool aid guzzling fuckwit. The most recognised and awarded installation i ever made dealt with the experience of disabled men here in my city during the war, a city flattened and second only to London in terns of destruction so don't fucking lecture me about Berlin you fucking cockwomble. We don't share your paranoia. We are not run by the EU or Germany and never have been. We not only have a veto on European Military policy there is also the small fact that there are no plans to form a European Army and then conscript Brits to it, despite what your bullshit scum media is drip feeding you.

You don't live here and you don't even understand your own country so I would hang fire and maybe listen to some other voices if I were you before you look like even more of a fool. There are industrial states not far from here full of businesses set up and kept running with EU funding. There are museums and galleries and libraries set up and funded by EU money that have helped preserve ancient Celtic artifacts and stone circles, kept the Cornish language alive and put the Marine conservation work done at our UNI's here at the centre of international research. You don't have a fucking clue how deep and massive the impact of a sudden no deal severing of ties will have but it is quite obvious that it will not only plunge ports like this one into chaos it will smash businesses,create massive unemployment and flood the UK with conmen from your backward country looking to hoover up a cheap deal and fuck the British over.

Fuck Off we don't want your invasion dressed up as trade, you have fucked up everywhere you have been. The arrogance from your prick of a president is off the charts and you can keep that kind politics and shove it up your hamburger filled arse. The normalization of Chaos as practiced by your infantile cry baby Prez who bottled his military service, is now being aped by Boris, a man as a Liverpool fan you should hate, but who you are lauding as some harmless bumptious Savior.

[Gandalf]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

Actually it is you that presents a false picture because like El Kabong you are a bullshit artist. You use one poll of a mere 1500 people to present what you claim is current popular sentiment.

Reality Check

Here is an average of four well respected proper polls

Come on then, if you are so convinced, then bring on the election. 35 times requested....then denied when offered. They know that beyond students who haven't worked and foreign London they are leaking voters left right and center. I don't mean that as a loose expression either.

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

[Beanz]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

[Master]

Meanwhile, Scottish judges just ruled that Boris unlawfully suspended Parliament. He has expelled 21 MP’s, lost his mandate and wanted to close Parliament illegally.

The man should resign.

We have never had a worse idiot in charge and we have had a few. Cameron for getting us in this mess and running off and May for not delivering when she had the majority.

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

You have issues.

[Gandalf]

Corbyn is not a realist either. He appears very conflicted and all over the place. He is an old man who has flip flopped on a lifetime aversion to the EU based on being held hostage by his own party. He knows full well what the EU is and he knows full well he can nationalize very little within it and he knows he will be crushed in an election. 25% is being optimistic. Basically students and London. The North is long gone now and that was traditional Labour ground. Tax havens are an issue, but to rely on an unelected superstate to 'solve' it is reaching to say the least.

Beanz, if you consider yourself European, then go and live in Europe. You have 20 odd countries to choose from. Go back to your roots, but you won't as you know full well that it is you who wants the British pound. It is one reason you are so pro EU as you have said in the past it is good for your business. Your motives are selfish.

Personally I don't make a penny from Brexit and my motivations are purely based on the belief that no nation should be occupied. Would you deny the freedom of former British colonies? No. Yet you are desperate to remain a colony.

You know how Greece has been treated. You know what a crappy deal the EU is offering and yet you still want it. I find it peculiar, but if your own motivation is money then it makes sense.

If Boris is going to go for No Deal. Well, I am no Tory, but I say go for it. I am British, not European. You consider yourself European first, so act on it and let the British people be British if that is what the majority want.

[Kirkland Laing]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

You've managed to get it wrong again. What I said was that the "deal" isn't a deal, it's a standstill agreement while we spend the next few years working out the terms and conditions of the actual deal. It keeps the customs union/single market in place while we negotiate our new terms of trade and commerce with the EU. The deal then goes to every EU member parliament and they all have the right to veto it which means a few years if we're very lucky and any resultant deal will be far worse for Britain than the deal we have now. Just leaving the EU doesn't mean we walk away from half our economy. We still have to negotiate how half our economy will be able to supply its goods and services to our biggest market (half our fucking economy). That isn't going away.

[Master]

So a no deal brexit is not the end of the process only the start of the negotiations which may take years.