The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

The only tyrant is Boris he better get a deal before 31st October.

Such a tyrant giving the people what they want

Not many people want a no deal Brexit. He may deliver a deal, you never know.

That is not true. Plenty of people want a no deal Brexit and Boris knows that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...xit-scenarios/

That is a false picture and is how we have ended up.

That was not want people voted for if it was an option Leave would have lost.

It is the most popular of all the options. How can you say Leave would have lost? People voted to stay or go. It really was that simple. Everyone knew there would be potential risks and I think that is priced in already. Give the people what they want. The numbers wanting no deal is increasing month by month too. Labour is going to end up returning 25% in an election. Leaking votes to all other parties. They know it.

I can say Leave would have lost because it would have split the vote.

I voted leave but not a no deal Brexit, so I can talk from personal experience so can say Leave would have lost.

The only reason it is so high now is that a deal is now becoming less and less an option so the data you provided is a false picture.

If it is a reflection of current popular sentiment then it is hardly a false picture.

A false picture is Kirkland's bizarre notion that a good deal has been fleshed out. That is false.

A third of the public wanting no deal is real. As was 2/3rds of regions wanting OUT.

Actually it is you that presents a false picture because like El Kabong you are a bullshit artist. You use one poll of a mere 1500 people to present what you claim is current popular sentiment.

Reality Check

Here is an average of four well respected proper polls

Come on then, if you are so convinced, then bring on the election. 35 times requested....then denied when offered. They know that beyond students who haven't worked and foreign London they are leaking voters left right and center. I don't mean that as a loose expression either.

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

[Beanz]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

[Master]

Meanwhile, Scottish judges just ruled that Boris unlawfully suspended Parliament. He has expelled 21 MP’s, lost his mandate and wanted to close Parliament illegally.

The man should resign.

We have never had a worse idiot in charge and we have had a few. Cameron for getting us in this mess and running off and May for not delivering when she had the majority.

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

You have issues.

[Gandalf]

Corbyn is not a realist either. He appears very conflicted and all over the place. He is an old man who has flip flopped on a lifetime aversion to the EU based on being held hostage by his own party. He knows full well what the EU is and he knows full well he can nationalize very little within it and he knows he will be crushed in an election. 25% is being optimistic. Basically students and London. The North is long gone now and that was traditional Labour ground. Tax havens are an issue, but to rely on an unelected superstate to 'solve' it is reaching to say the least.

Beanz, if you consider yourself European, then go and live in Europe. You have 20 odd countries to choose from. Go back to your roots, but you won't as you know full well that it is you who wants the British pound. It is one reason you are so pro EU as you have said in the past it is good for your business. Your motives are selfish.

Personally I don't make a penny from Brexit and my motivations are purely based on the belief that no nation should be occupied. Would you deny the freedom of former British colonies? No. Yet you are desperate to remain a colony.

You know how Greece has been treated. You know what a crappy deal the EU is offering and yet you still want it. I find it peculiar, but if your own motivation is money then it makes sense.

If Boris is going to go for No Deal. Well, I am no Tory, but I say go for it. I am British, not European. You consider yourself European first, so act on it and let the British people be British if that is what the majority want.

[Beanz]

Stop acting like a bellend. I don't consider myself European more than British, the two are not mutually exclusive. Can the pair of you not see the fucking ridiculous irony of telling a British born poster living in and celebrating the UK to leave because you both who live in America and SK do not want to hear about the EU supporting the preservation of distinct national cultures and their history?

You want to destroy all that and make us into some homogonized Americanised satellite state. British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Just because your xenophobia normalises hating the Germans, fearing the French, demonising the Romanians, lying about the Swedes, etc don't assume all British people are as pathetic as you.

No Deal appeals to you both because you want to isolate the UK, because you hate unions and people sharing common purpose, because your words and actions demonstrate a deep distrust of solidarity and community. Most Brits do not share that myopic nasty negative attitude.

The Empire has gone and Johnson the serial liar is not only making us a laughing stock he is threatening to restart the troubles in Ireland, make hundreds of thousands unemployed and tear families apart just to make him and his buddies even richer.

[Beanz]

And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.

[Gandalf]

Stop acting like a bellend. I don't consider myself European more than British, the two are not mutually exclusive. Can the pair of you not see the fucking ridiculous irony of telling a British born poster living in and celebrating the UK to leave because you both who live in America and SK do not want to hear about the EU supporting the preservation of distinct national cultures and their history?

You want to destroy all that and make us into some homogonized Americanised satellite state. British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Just because your xenophobia normalises hating the Germans, fearing the French, demonising the Romanians, lying about the Swedes, etc don't assume all British people are as pathetic as you.

No Deal appeals to you both because you want to isolate the UK, because you hate unions and people sharing common purpose, because your words and actions demonstrate a deep distrust of solidarity and community. Most Brits do not share that myopic nasty negative attitude.

The Empire has gone and Johnson the serial liar is not only making us a laughing stock he is threatening to restart the troubles in Ireland, make hundreds of thousands unemployed and tear families apart just to make him and his buddies even richer.

No deal appeals to me because it is the most direct means of leaving an undemocratic and unchosen overlord of a supposedly great and democratic nation that actually led the democratic way for much of Europe for centuries.

You have declared yourself European and indeed declared that you would rather have immigrants than educated and capable people like myself, so you can consider yourself as patriotic as you like, but you do not appear so with your acceptance of tyranny.

Also the majority of Brits do not think like you whence Brexit winning in the first place and which explains why Jezza is terrified of an election. Anne Widdecombe represents you and the people around you voted for her lest we forget.

You could just accept the democratic result of a referendum. You don't see me still crying over the Scottish referendum years later but you remoaners are something else entirely. Accusing someone of being a money man Tory is lame to say the least.

Yep, and great argument with the culture point. The man who hates Nazi's hints at a common cultural heritage. Lol. Have you forgotten the Napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2, and dozens of other wars among the wonderful culturally sharing tribes of Europe? Nope, I actually have nothing in common with Nazi's. Glad to see you potentially do though.

Nope, I am not all that into Europe. Imagine sharing power with pervy little Macron and crushing Greece so that women sell their bodies and opening borders to rapists etc. How can you endorse any of that? Get out and have a fresh start. You cannot control massive centralisation. We know this from China, to America, to many systems of the past. To control tyranny you need a small nation state and representatives who you can track and control. The EU is the oppposite of that really.

Westminster can be controlled by the people. The EU cannot.

[El Kabong]

British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Does British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?



And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.