The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

[Beanz]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

[Master]

Meanwhile, Scottish judges just ruled that Boris unlawfully suspended Parliament. He has expelled 21 MP’s, lost his mandate and wanted to close Parliament illegally.

The man should resign.

We have never had a worse idiot in charge and we have had a few. Cameron for getting us in this mess and running off and May for not delivering when she had the majority.

[Gandalf]

I also like that poll as no deal is hardcore and that is even higher than the number I gave. No deal brexit is the best outcome for everyone and if Britain wants to deal with off shore tax havens then they can push for that thenselves rather than rely on the EU to govern.

Yes ..right. Fucking get down off your cloud and live in the real world for five seconds. Like the Turkeys in this corrupt government are going to vote for their own Christmas. Corbyn as a realist and proponent of REAL GROUND CHANGE is acknowledging the complexity of a divided nation and seeking to address it, and you are merely propping up the old order , the status Quo, the establishment two party bullshit. You are a money mad tory right down to your bones.

You have issues.

[Gandalf]

Corbyn is not a realist either. He appears very conflicted and all over the place. He is an old man who has flip flopped on a lifetime aversion to the EU based on being held hostage by his own party. He knows full well what the EU is and he knows full well he can nationalize very little within it and he knows he will be crushed in an election. 25% is being optimistic. Basically students and London. The North is long gone now and that was traditional Labour ground. Tax havens are an issue, but to rely on an unelected superstate to 'solve' it is reaching to say the least.

Beanz, if you consider yourself European, then go and live in Europe. You have 20 odd countries to choose from. Go back to your roots, but you won't as you know full well that it is you who wants the British pound. It is one reason you are so pro EU as you have said in the past it is good for your business. Your motives are selfish.

Personally I don't make a penny from Brexit and my motivations are purely based on the belief that no nation should be occupied. Would you deny the freedom of former British colonies? No. Yet you are desperate to remain a colony.

You know how Greece has been treated. You know what a crappy deal the EU is offering and yet you still want it. I find it peculiar, but if your own motivation is money then it makes sense.

If Boris is going to go for No Deal. Well, I am no Tory, but I say go for it. I am British, not European. You consider yourself European first, so act on it and let the British people be British if that is what the majority want.

[Beanz]

Stop acting like a bellend. I don't consider myself European more than British, the two are not mutually exclusive. Can the pair of you not see the fucking ridiculous irony of telling a British born poster living in and celebrating the UK to leave because you both who live in America and SK do not want to hear about the EU supporting the preservation of distinct national cultures and their history?

You want to destroy all that and make us into some homogonized Americanised satellite state. British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Just because your xenophobia normalises hating the Germans, fearing the French, demonising the Romanians, lying about the Swedes, etc don't assume all British people are as pathetic as you.

No Deal appeals to you both because you want to isolate the UK, because you hate unions and people sharing common purpose, because your words and actions demonstrate a deep distrust of solidarity and community. Most Brits do not share that myopic nasty negative attitude.

The Empire has gone and Johnson the serial liar is not only making us a laughing stock he is threatening to restart the troubles in Ireland, make hundreds of thousands unemployed and tear families apart just to make him and his buddies even richer.

[Beanz]

And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.

[Gandalf]

And no I don't personally get any EU money or government money for my business. It is not for selfish reasons and you just can't get your head around that.

No, you said many of your clients and work come from operating in the EU. I did not say the EU funds you directly.

Your motivations are certainly not about the will of the people. I am all for it. Have an election or else just leave as the people directed.

[Gandalf]

Stop acting like a bellend. I don't consider myself European more than British, the two are not mutually exclusive. Can the pair of you not see the fucking ridiculous irony of telling a British born poster living in and celebrating the UK to leave because you both who live in America and SK do not want to hear about the EU supporting the preservation of distinct national cultures and their history?

You want to destroy all that and make us into some homogonized Americanised satellite state. British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Just because your xenophobia normalises hating the Germans, fearing the French, demonising the Romanians, lying about the Swedes, etc don't assume all British people are as pathetic as you.

No Deal appeals to you both because you want to isolate the UK, because you hate unions and people sharing common purpose, because your words and actions demonstrate a deep distrust of solidarity and community. Most Brits do not share that myopic nasty negative attitude.

The Empire has gone and Johnson the serial liar is not only making us a laughing stock he is threatening to restart the troubles in Ireland, make hundreds of thousands unemployed and tear families apart just to make him and his buddies even richer.

No deal appeals to me because it is the most direct means of leaving an undemocratic and unchosen overlord of a supposedly great and democratic nation that actually led the democratic way for much of Europe for centuries.

You have declared yourself European and indeed declared that you would rather have immigrants than educated and capable people like myself, so you can consider yourself as patriotic as you like, but you do not appear so with your acceptance of tyranny.

Also the majority of Brits do not think like you whence Brexit winning in the first place and which explains why Jezza is terrified of an election. Anne Widdecombe represents you and the people around you voted for her lest we forget.

You could just accept the democratic result of a referendum. You don't see me still crying over the Scottish referendum years later but you remoaners are something else entirely. Accusing someone of being a money man Tory is lame to say the least.

Yep, and great argument with the culture point. The man who hates Nazi's hints at a common cultural heritage. Lol. Have you forgotten the Napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2, and dozens of other wars among the wonderful culturally sharing tribes of Europe? Nope, I actually have nothing in common with Nazi's. Glad to see you potentially do though.

Nope, I am not all that into Europe. Imagine sharing power with pervy little Macron and crushing Greece so that women sell their bodies and opening borders to rapists etc. How can you endorse any of that? Get out and have a fresh start. You cannot control massive centralisation. We know this from China, to America, to many systems of the past. To control tyranny you need a small nation state and representatives who you can track and control. The EU is the oppposite of that really.

Westminster can be controlled by the people. The EU cannot.

[El Kabong]

British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Does British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?



And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.

[Beanz]

British culture is massively entwined with Germanic, Gallic, Greek, Roman, Basque heritage and language and Europe is still where much of our food, art, music, business, education and science is shared.

Does British culture have anything oooooh I don't know BRITISH about it or is it just a hodgepodge of other cultures and therefore unimportant and not worthy of being it's own unique thing? Also does that line of reasoning work for other cultures as well? Is German culture just a mix of everything not German but it's mixed in a specific geopolitical nationstate and therefore it's "German" ditto France and Italy and Belgium and so on?



And yeah I get the idea you'll think the very question itself being asked is a massive insult and I'm a bigot/racist/xenophobe who has deliberately and shamelessly offended your ancient ancestors for daring to ask the question, so skip all your typical insulting bullshit and just respond to the question or don't respond at all, I'm just attempting to save you from gassing yourself up into not even a rage, but I am seriously not in the mood to read several volumes of epic poems in response.

Yes British culture does have a lot of things that make it unique. One of those things is the the Anglo-Saxon influence which came here with the Germanic and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons and Jutes you utter plum. They like the Romans and the Normans did not wipe out the native traditions we still have here in an incredibly diverse country. The British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom, the clue is there in the names. You insult this great country every time you refer to Brits as English as though the Welsh and Scots and Northern Irish and even Cornish would not mind. They do mind.

We are a cultural superpower but our influence in literature would not even exist if it were not for French and Latin. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Tennyson, Du Maurier, Carroll, Dickens, Austen , Burns, Thomas wrote not only on the local landscapes and figures but on the shoulders of Roman and Greek culture and history. We have been constantly invaded and have sailed the world invading others. That itself is exactly what makes us British and Unique but the European influence from our genealogy to our cultures and even our language itself is the most important by far. To deny that is to not be British bit to be a pale ignorant watered down version of what makes us what we are.

Neither of you will acknowledge that this nation state bullshit you subscribe to is even vaguely possible. It is farcical and childish. Your own country is a Union. Fucking hell man you cannot lecture us all just because pricks like Peterson and Mcinnes sold you the lie that being British is somehow tied up with not being intimately tied to Europe and that white culture is somehow a unique thing being diluted by acknowledging the undeniable fact that the commonwealth and British Empire worked both ways. From Cricket, Punk and Reggae to folk music, art, literature and cuisine, to be British is to look out and then bring that which is outside in and absorb it.

You really are a pair of idiots.