Munguia beats up another little fighter

[Fenster]

Some of you guys were complaining about "weight hopping" and "undeserved" alphabet shots (Loma), yet here a guy defends his belt half-a-dozen times a year and he's a "weight bully." However, he should stay away from top middleweights because he's crap.

Isn't it all a bit hypocritical?

The same people threw a fit when Munguia was going to fight Golovkin.

He's only 22.

[powerpuncher]

Some of you guys were complaining about "weight hopping" and "undeserved" alphabet shots (Loma), yet here a guy defends his belt half-a-dozen times a year and he's a "weight bully." However, he should stay away from top middleweights because he's crap.

Isn't it all a bit hypocritical?

The same people threw a fit when Munguia was going to fight Golovkin.

He's only 22.

Not hypocritical at all. You always just actively try to disagree with people and find things to be upset about. You are really reaching for this one though. Weight hopping and specifically fighting smaller fighters who you have a high risk of severely injuring is much different.

[Spicoli]

I mean honestly speaking Munguia did win the trinket from a welterweight, as a replacement. Personally I wouldn't fancy his chances with Golovkin today anymore than I did back during Canelos Steak-gate. Knowing the wbo though they'll hustle him right into the #1 spot and maybe he has a go at Andrade.

[powerpuncher]

I mean honestly speaking Munguia did win the trinket from a welterweight, as a replacement. Personally I wouldn't fancy his chances with Golovkin today anymore than I did back during Canelos Steak-gate. Knowing the wbo though they'll hustle him right into the #1 spot and maybe he has a go at Andrade.

No way they put him in with Andrade. That is the absolute worst possible match up for him. I think he loses to any top middleweight, but Andrade would just make him look silly

[TitoFan]

Crystal Ball Dept.:

Munguia will continue to be fed smaller fighters to get his record nice and bloated. The public will look at the W's and L's and clamor for a fight between the Mexican deity and the young, undefeated Mexican up-and-comer. A suitable site will be found for a "Cinco de Mayo" mega-brawl. It'll be ridiculously hyped with all the superlatives known to man. The deity will win and will say to his vanquished opponent... "patience, young grasshopper... patience." The fight itself will break PPV records.

[Spicoli]

Crystal Ball Dept.:

Munguia will continue to be fed smaller fighters to get his record nice and bloated. The public will look at the W's and L's and clamor for a fight between the Mexican deity and the young, undefeated Mexican up-and-comer. A suitable site will be found for a "Cinco de Mayo" mega-brawl. It'll be ridiculously hyped with all the superlatives known to man. The deity will win and will say to his vanquished opponent... "patience, young grasshopper... patience." The fight itself will break PPV records.

First the Bedazzled red speckled Diva will demand he fatten up to 175 and agree to a cw of 172.1/4. Munguia seems like a nice kid but they're doing him zero favors going to school on soft touches..as champion ffs .

[Fenster]

Crystal Ball Dept.:

Munguia will continue to be fed smaller fighters to get his record nice and bloated. The public will look at the W's and L's and clamor for a fight between the Mexican deity and the young, undefeated Mexican up-and-comer. A suitable site will be found for a "Cinco de Mayo" mega-brawl. It'll be ridiculously hyped with all the superlatives known to man. The deity will win and will say to his vanquished opponent... "patience, young grasshopper... patience." The fight itself will break PPV records.

First the Bedazzled red speckled Diva will demand he fatten up to 175 and agree to a cw of 172.1/4. Munguia seems like a nice kid but they're doing him zero favors going to school on soft touches..as champion ffs .

Soft touches? I thought you was all for champions defending against "deserved" ranked contenders? The guys in line? The guys who work their way up the ratings? The no.1, 3, 5, 6, 9? Munguia's five defences have all been top rated WBO challengers. Isn't that the "old fashioned" way you prefer?

[Spicoli]

I mean honestly speaking Munguia did win the trinket from a welterweight, as a replacement. Personally I wouldn't fancy his chances with Golovkin today anymore than I did back during Canelos Steak-gate. Knowing the wbo though they'll hustle him right into the #1 spot and maybe he has a go at Andrade.

No way they put him in with Andrade. That is the absolute worst possible match up for him. I think he loses to any top middleweight, but Andrade would just make him look silly

Yeh true enough. The phrase 'paint by numbers' comes to mind . Never been big on Andrade but Munguia would be a blank canvas and the way he eats shots Andrade would Bob Ross his arse all night.

[Fenster]

I mean honestly speaking Munguia did win the trinket from a welterweight, as a replacement. Personally I wouldn't fancy his chances with Golovkin today anymore than I did back during Canelos Steak-gate. Knowing the wbo though they'll hustle him right into the #1 spot and maybe he has a go at Andrade.

However, the "welterweight" was favourite, all so easy with hindsight, isn't it.

And WBO champions stepping up become mandatory, that's their rules. It would be fascinating to see how the career of multi-division champs like Crawford had played out without benefiting from it.

[TitoFan]

I mean honestly speaking Munguia did win the trinket from a welterweight, as a replacement. Personally I wouldn't fancy his chances with Golovkin today anymore than I did back during Canelos Steak-gate. Knowing the wbo though they'll hustle him right into the #1 spot and maybe he has a go at Andrade.

However, the "welterweight" was favourite, all so easy with hindsight, isn't it.

And WBO champions stepping up become mandatory, that's their rules. It would be fascinating to see how the career of multi-division champs like Crawford had played out without benefiting from it.

Even oddsmakers make mistakes, and this one, who had favored Ali before the fight, admitted he had a made a mistake and Ali had no business being in there with the much, much bigger Munguia. A sentiment shared by much of the boxing world.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#226ec2072e68

[Fenster]

I mean honestly speaking Munguia did win the trinket from a welterweight, as a replacement. Personally I wouldn't fancy his chances with Golovkin today anymore than I did back during Canelos Steak-gate. Knowing the wbo though they'll hustle him right into the #1 spot and maybe he has a go at Andrade.

However, the "welterweight" was favourite, all so easy with hindsight, isn't it.

And WBO champions stepping up become mandatory, that's their rules. It would be fascinating to see how the career of multi-division champs like Crawford had played out without benefiting from it.

Even oddsmakers make mistakes, and this one, who had favored Ali before the fight, admitted he had a made a mistake and Ali had no business being in there with the much, much bigger Munguia. A sentiment shared by much of the boxing world.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#226ec2072e68

Exactly. A perfect illustration of my point, all so easy with hindsight. If boxing fans were forced to put their money where their mouth is, trust me, they'd quickly see the entire business in a different light.

(p.s - not to show off, but I was in the minority who profited from the upset )

[TitoFan]

Well I guess one thing we can all agree on is that belts are worthless, at least as compared with the belts of years past. A perfect example is Munguia. Gifted a "world" title shot (using the same quotation marks here) after a parade of nondescript opponents all save one inside of Mexico. When the shot finally arrived, it was against the woefully undersized and thoroughly outgunned Ali. Bookmakers may have made Ali the favorite... but then again few bookmakers KSAB. The result was an upset only to those who lean on bookmaker favorites for advice.

My pet peeve with belts is that now more than ever they're being used as "tools" to further the boxing orgs' agendas. "X" fighter is chosen for stardom for whatever reason.... the path will be paved with gold and rose petals, until a suitable trinket can be found and fought for.... against a fattened calf.

Like I said before.... it's pageantry.

[Fenster]

Some of you guys were complaining about "weight hopping" and "undeserved" alphabet shots (Loma), yet here a guy defends his belt half-a-dozen times a year and he's a "weight bully." However, he should stay away from top middleweights because he's crap.

Isn't it all a bit hypocritical?

The same people threw a fit when Munguia was going to fight Golovkin.

He's only 22.

Not hypocritical at all. You always just actively try to disagree with people and find things to be upset about. You are really reaching for this one though. Weight hopping and specifically fighting smaller fighters who you have a high risk of severely injuring is much different.

I've merely offered an alternative view and asked a question, that's all. No offense is meant.

I believe you're "reaching" by claiming his opponents at 154 are in danger. He looks big, yes, he's 6ft, but continues to make lightmiddle and all his defences have been against WBO top ranked lightmiddles. Not only that, several have been close competitive bouts.

The hypocrisy and contradictions of boxing fans/writers/fighters/promoters are utterly shameless and stick out like a sore thumb (i'm not singling you or any individual out).

[powerpuncher]

Some of you guys were complaining about "weight hopping" and "undeserved" alphabet shots (Loma), yet here a guy defends his belt half-a-dozen times a year and he's a "weight bully." However, he should stay away from top middleweights because he's crap.

Isn't it all a bit hypocritical?

The same people threw a fit when Munguia was going to fight Golovkin.

He's only 22.

Not hypocritical at all. You always just actively try to disagree with people and find things to be upset about. You are really reaching for this one though. Weight hopping and specifically fighting smaller fighters who you have a high risk of severely injuring is much different.

I've merely offered an alternative view and asked a question, that's all. No offense is meant.

I believe you're "reaching" by claiming his opponents at 154 are in danger. He looks big, yes, he's 6ft, but continues to make lightmiddle and all his defences have been against WBO top ranked lightmiddles. Not only that, several have been close competitive bouts.

The hypocrisy and contradictions of boxing fans/writers/fighters/promoters are utterly shameless and stick out like a sore thumb (i'm not singling you or any individual out).

I’m not offended but I just know that you love being contradictory. What you claim really has nothing to do with my original post.

Chavez Jr did the same thing. He was always way bigger than his opponents and it kind of became a joke. And Munguia isn’t really cleaning out a division. He is fighting top 10 ranked fighters by the WBO.

Like I always say though. The problem with all of these belts is that you have a “champion” who gets to fight “ranked” fighters while avoiding any top guy in the division. Honestly, I can’t imagine any of Munguia’s opponents are actually ranked top ten in the division. I’m just getting tired of certain fighters winning off of size rather than skill. I don’t blame Munguia because he is getting a lot of money doing what he is doing. I just hate how money allows things like this to happen.

[Fenster]

Some of you guys were complaining about "weight hopping" and "undeserved" alphabet shots (Loma), yet here a guy defends his belt half-a-dozen times a year and he's a "weight bully." However, he should stay away from top middleweights because he's crap.

Isn't it all a bit hypocritical?

The same people threw a fit when Munguia was going to fight Golovkin.

He's only 22.

Not hypocritical at all. You always just actively try to disagree with people and find things to be upset about. You are really reaching for this one though. Weight hopping and specifically fighting smaller fighters who you have a high risk of severely injuring is much different.

I've merely offered an alternative view and asked a question, that's all. No offense is meant.

I believe you're "reaching" by claiming his opponents at 154 are in danger. He looks big, yes, he's 6ft, but continues to make lightmiddle and all his defences have been against WBO top ranked lightmiddles. Not only that, several have been close competitive bouts.

The hypocrisy and contradictions of boxing fans/writers/fighters/promoters are utterly shameless and stick out like a sore thumb (i'm not singling you or any individual out).

I’m not offended but I just know that you love being contradictory. What you claim really has nothing to do with my original post.

Chavez Jr did the same thing. He was always way bigger than his opponents and it kind of became a joke. And Munguia isn’t really cleaning out a division. He is fighting top 10 ranked fighters by the WBO.

Like I always say though. The problem with all of these belts is that you have a “champion” who gets to fight “ranked” fighters while avoiding any top guy in the division. Honestly, I can’t imagine any of Munguia’s opponents are actually ranked top ten in the division. I’m just getting tired of certain fighters winning off of size rather than skill. I don’t blame Munguia because he is getting a lot of money doing what he is doing. I just hate how money allows things like this to happen.

My point has nothing to do with Munguia "cleaning out" the division, I don't even rate him top 5, or give any credence to his "world" title. I know full well the difference between top 10 alphabet/independent ranked fighters. The very concept of TWO "world" champions per division, let alone four, was evidently diabolical to me 25 years ago.

I don't regard anyone, regardless of alphabet title, THE world champion unless they've clearly proven to be no.1 in the division. Hence the reason I constantly use quotation marks around the word "world."

However, the problem is, the entire boxing industry, along with most FANS, have bought into the belts hook, line and sinker, whilst the "hardcore" who haven't, pick and choose when it suits. Hence the double-standards for fighters/promoters they either like or dislike.

That's where I come in - a contrarian cunt.