Yeah you're right rampant illegal immigration wouldn't have anything to do with wage stagnation.
I do so love the contempt that you respond to me with. Every time. It's lovely, I must really irk you...and that just warms my heart
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Yeah you're right rampant illegal immigration wouldn't have anything to do with wage stagnation.
I do so love the contempt that you respond to me with. Every time. It's lovely, I must really irk you...and that just warms my heart
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Massive illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with wage stagnation. If mass immigration over the southern border was bad for the American economy there'd be a double hundred foot wall between the Atlantic and the Pacific with a patrolled road in between the two walls. The highest level of immigration relative to population America has ever seen in the two hundred years of mass immigration over the southern border came after WW2 due to the booming economy, a time when America weas growing at five percent a year.Originally Posted by El Kabong
The reason wages weren't stagnating then was the way the economy was set up -- strong unions meant that American labour got a much bigger piece of the national income pie than they do now and the ninety one percent top rate of tax helped keep a lid on inequality and the damaging economic effects of too big a percentage of national income being pumped into assets held by a handful of people. Prosperity was broadly shared and despite the huge numbers of wetbacks coming ober the border everybody did well in those decades. Wages only started to stagnate with the advent of Reagan and supply side economic policies which have slowed economic growth for everybody, created massive inequality of wealth and stagnated wages for forty years now, Trump's tax cut being the latest example of supply side failure.
Mass immigration boosts economic growth and there are hundreds of years of evidence to prove this. Stagnant wages are not caused by mass immigration, they're caused by the economic policies of the political party who use immigration as an excuse for the ongoing unrelenting unbroken forty year failure* of their economic policies. This has been explained to you before in much greater detail but facts and evidence just bounce off you which is one of the reasons I have so much contempt for you.
*But not failure for the people behind those policies! For those people these policies are an incredible success!
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It’s not about money it’s about votes. Why would people argue not to protect our border?Massive illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with wage stagnation. If mass immigration over the southern border was bad for the American economy there'd be a double hundred foot wall between the Atlantic and the Pacific with a patrolled road in between the two walls. The highest level of immigration relative to population America has ever seen in the two hundred years of mass immigration over the southern border came after WW2 due to the booming economy, a time when America weas growing at five percent a year.
The reason wages weren't stagnating then was the way the economy was set up -- strong unions meant that American labour got a much bigger piece of the national income pie than they do now and the ninety one percent top rate of tax helped keep a lid on inequality and the damaging economic effects of too big a percentage of national income being pumped into assets held by a handful of people. Prosperity was broadly shared and despite the huge numbers of wetbacks coming ober the border everybody did well in those decades. Wages only started to stagnate with the advent of Reagan and supply side economic policies which have slowed economic growth for everybody, created massive inequality of wealth and stagnated wages for forty years now, Trump's tax cut being the latest example of supply side failure.
Mass immigration boosts economic growth and there are hundreds of years of evidence to prove this. Stagnant wages are not caused by mass immigration, they're caused by the economic policies of the political party who use immigration as an excuse for the ongoing unrelenting unbroken forty year failure* of their economic policies. This has been explained to you before in much greater detail but facts and evidence just bounce off you which is one of the reasons I have so much contempt for you.
*But not failure for the people behind those policies! For those people these policies are an incredible success!
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Running a popular right wing movement on behalf of a bunch of plutocrats is no easy thing. You've got to use everything you've got whether it's furriners, abortion, god gays and guns and whatever else in order to get enough votes so you can then rob and loot the country while tossing enough red meat at these idiots to keep them distracted while you get on with the looting.It’s not about money it’s about votes. Why would people argue not to protect our border?Massive illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with wage stagnation. If mass immigration over the southern border was bad for the American economy there'd be a double hundred foot wall between the Atlantic and the Pacific with a patrolled road in between the two walls. The highest level of immigration relative to population America has ever seen in the two hundred years of mass immigration over the southern border came after WW2 due to the booming economy, a time when America weas growing at five percent a year.
The reason wages weren't stagnating then was the way the economy was set up -- strong unions meant that American labour got a much bigger piece of the national income pie than they do now and the ninety one percent top rate of tax helped keep a lid on inequality and the damaging economic effects of too big a percentage of national income being pumped into assets held by a handful of people. Prosperity was broadly shared and despite the huge numbers of wetbacks coming ober the border everybody did well in those decades. Wages only started to stagnate with the advent of Reagan and supply side economic policies which have slowed economic growth for everybody, created massive inequality of wealth and stagnated wages for forty years now, Trump's tax cut being the latest example of supply side failure.
Mass immigration boosts economic growth and there are hundreds of years of evidence to prove this. Stagnant wages are not caused by mass immigration, they're caused by the economic policies of the political party who use immigration as an excuse for the ongoing unrelenting unbroken forty year failure* of their economic policies. This has been explained to you before in much greater detail but facts and evidence just bounce off you which is one of the reasons I have so much contempt for you.
*But not failure for the people behind those policies! For those people these policies are an incredible success!
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A couple things...
Illegals aren't helping unions either comrade
TAXATION is the issue with illegals. Less owners, less property taxes, more people, more people who don't even speak English, more gangs, those things mean worse schools.
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Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/
Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.
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American immigration prior to 1965's Hart-Celler Act was basically nil. Prior to that the United States had a quota system that limited legal entrance and allowed for full assimilation and things went along swimmingly.
As for your "Illegal immigration not having any anti-Union impact" claim one Cesar Chavez would disagree...he and his United Farm Worker brethren would go to the border and beat the shit out of illegal immigrants to keep them from coming in a depreciating the wages of farm hands.
I'm not a fan of Unions, Unions have deep ties to Communist/Socialist organizations and so naturally I don't trust them.
Yeah sure Illegals pay payroll taxes.."a lot of them pay property taxes" oh do they now? "A lot" so then not all of them. We've got way too much immigration as it is. What we desperately need is cohesion, assimilation, and education all of which are undermined by massive immigration legal or otherwise.
Regardless of what Trump does the 1% will be fine, the 1% will be fine even if there's a Communist in charge (well SOME of the 1% will be fine, if their politics are deemed acceptable). There's this thing called the Pareto Principle, perhaps you should take a gander at it. There's another thing called Supply and Demand....if the Supply of something is far greater than the demand, let's say something like oh I don't know unskilled labor, then the value of that thing....the unskilled labor in this case.....is not worth very much and that's minimum wage or no minimum wage.
Workers should be paid a fair wage, this whole "there are jobs Americans won't do" is fucking horseshit! Americans I know are proud people and there's pride to be had in an honest day's work for honest wages.....hard to find honest wages when someone will do the work, get paid under the table and the AMERICAN citizen gets cut out of the deal. And yeah too many from BOTH parties look the other way on that in my opinion.
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That is a ridiculous statement.Illegal immigrants weren't hurting unions in the fifties either when five percent growth and the lowest unemployment rate in history encouraged huge numbers of them over the southern border. Illegal immigration has zero effect on unions Lyle. What does have an effect on unions is decades of Republican anti-union legislation backed up by anti-union conservative judges. The GOP even appoint union busting lawyers who've spent their career working for big business against unions as Secretary of Labor! As usual you're fed a load of bullshit about immigration and you swallow the whole thing. Meanwhile the judges Trump appoints and the people like Scalia he appoints further damage the ability of labour to command a decent share of the rapidly growing national income. And you vote for this.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/
Illegal immigrants all pay payroll taxes and a lot of them pay property taxes and other taxes. There's an easy way to make sure they all pay the taxes they're supposed to pay and that's have a system that allows enough immigration to allow the economy to grow correctly. But every attempt at immigration reform is blocked by the right who want an issue that can't be solved any other way left unsolved so they can have something to win votes with so they can keep electing judges and nominating cabinet members who make the top one percent richer.
You appear to be disconnected from the real world, Kirkland. There are many illegal immigrants out here and they stay under the radar by working for cash and it does indeed bring wages down. In fact even a lot of legal immigrants do just that to stay under the radar as they should not be doing extra jobs as it violates their visa. As do locals too as they are naughty. I can order chicken and pay a couple of quid less if I just pay cash.....why is that? If somebody illegal and unqualified is willing to work for half, you don't think some corrupt business owner will sometimes be tempted to take that bait?
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In the US we call it bread and circusRunning a popular right wing movement on behalf of a bunch of plutocrats is no easy thing. You've got to use everything you've got whether it's furriners, abortion, god gays and guns and whatever else in order to get enough votes so you can then rob and loot the country while tossing enough red meat at these idiots to keep them distracted while you get on with the looting.It’s not about money it’s about votes. Why would people argue not to protect our border?Massive illegal immigration doesn't have anything to do with wage stagnation. If mass immigration over the southern border was bad for the American economy there'd be a double hundred foot wall between the Atlantic and the Pacific with a patrolled road in between the two walls. The highest level of immigration relative to population America has ever seen in the two hundred years of mass immigration over the southern border came after WW2 due to the booming economy, a time when America weas growing at five percent a year.
The reason wages weren't stagnating then was the way the economy was set up -- strong unions meant that American labour got a much bigger piece of the national income pie than they do now and the ninety one percent top rate of tax helped keep a lid on inequality and the damaging economic effects of too big a percentage of national income being pumped into assets held by a handful of people. Prosperity was broadly shared and despite the huge numbers of wetbacks coming ober the border everybody did well in those decades. Wages only started to stagnate with the advent of Reagan and supply side economic policies which have slowed economic growth for everybody, created massive inequality of wealth and stagnated wages for forty years now, Trump's tax cut being the latest example of supply side failure.
Mass immigration boosts economic growth and there are hundreds of years of evidence to prove this. Stagnant wages are not caused by mass immigration, they're caused by the economic policies of the political party who use immigration as an excuse for the ongoing unrelenting unbroken forty year failure* of their economic policies. This has been explained to you before in much greater detail but facts and evidence just bounce off you which is one of the reasons I have so much contempt for you.
*But not failure for the people behind those policies! For those people these policies are an incredible success!
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OUT: Banning Private Schools
IN: Banning Packed Lunches!
Should pupils be banned from bringing a packed lunch and be forced to have school dinners
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...nches-18844589
University lecturer Amy, mum to Rosie, 15, and 11-year-old Tommy says: “I confess – I have struggled to get my kids to eat a range of foods.
“They do eat fruit and veg every day but it’s nearly always the same round of carrots, frozen peas and apple slices.
"The day I found out baked beans counted as one of your five-a-day was one of the happiest of my parenting life.
“I really have tried but it is dispiriting to spend an hour cooking vegetable rissoles only to have your customers fall off their chairs and weep on the floor.
“I’m a busy working mum: I don’t have time to waste and I don’t want to throw away food.
"The result is the tiny number of meals that fit into the Venn diagram of healthy, quick, cheap and which both kids will eat.
"Lunchboxes end up being a sandwich, or crackers and soft cheese, raisins or apple slices again, plus a biscuit or treat.
"There’s nothing wrong with it, but it’s not teaching a love of variety either.
"Children learn to try new things when they see their friends eating them. If they don’t like it, they can pick at the fruit and no-one has to get upset.
“But there’s one important catch: in Italy a teacher sits on every table and eats the same food as the kids.
"That’s the guarantee of quality. If it’s not good enough for the staff, it’s not good enough for the pupils.”
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