Today in Trump

[walrus]

You're so what happened this week,Romanian thugs at least 75 Romanian gang and Romanian migrant gangs arrested after burglarizing 100 people's homes just like MS-13 and the Latin Kings across the pond maybe some of these criminals should be shot in the legs on their way illegally across our borders. How many dinghy's are really bringing migrants, wasn't the 40 years of Commonwealth migration enough?

19, 841 Romanian gang members arrested last year alone. what is wrong with mulch filled with alligators and being shot in the legs in these situations? Let somebody make a sane argument against it

Fuck off Brock

Maybe make sure of things than blame others like a cop, twice now thanks. Bilbo-Baal-Brock-Frodo-et al

He gets a touch paranoid. Don't mention any local restaurants in his area. 😎

I’m not going to say this again I am bilbo you twats

[Fatboxingfan]

easy steps to follow, all hushed-up in the MSM:

1. Hilary Clinton and the DNC paid Fusion GPS and FOREIGN AGENTS Christopher Steele (UK), Josef Mifsud (Malta), and Australian agents to COMPILE A PHONY DOSSIER ON TRUMP.
2. Phony Dossier was leaked by Brennan (CIA) and others in US to the NYTimes paper, which breathlessly published the unverified lies and smears.
3. FBI and CIA then say OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, LOOK WHAT THE TIMES PAPER HAS REVEALED! We need an investigations!
4. Phony Dossier was used BY OBAMA AND HIS APPOINTEES (comey, clapper, Brennan, etc) to apply for AND OBTAIN Foriegn Surveilance Intelligence Court (FISA) to obtain search warrants and wiretaps ON tRUMP
5. On 4 separate occassions, PHONY DOSSIER WAS USED AT FISA court to RE-NEW the warrants against Trump EVEN THOUGH COMEY SAID NUMEROUS TIMES ON RECORD IT WAS SALACIOUS AND UNVERIFIED
6. FISA abuse involed crooked agents ignoring EXCULPATRY EVIDENCE AS WELL AS RE-NEWING WARRANTS WHILST KNOWING the Phony Dosser was FAKE< PHONY< UNCVERIFIED AND SALACIOUS.
7. Corroboration e-mails obtained by Trump PROVE FBI WAS GUNNING FOR TRUMP, "insurance policy in case he wins" etc.... what was the "insurance policy?" ....
8. THE PHONY ROBERT MUELLER "IGNORE ALL EXCULAPTRY EVIDENCE" WITCH HUNT INVESTIGATION, lasting 3 years and costing $30 mill

after it crashed abnnd burnt, Mueller was disgraced and the dems and MSM bootlickers were DISGRACED IN PERDITION, but never apologized, then in pure shame and embarrasment they .......

9. WENT AFTER THE HONORABLE WILLIAM BARR ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE us of A

10. Now going after a nothing-hamburger Ukraine call that Ukraine Prez says NEVER HAPPENED, NO PRESSURE, etc.

the 24/7 Never-Trumpet MSM unhinged lackeys and globalist agenda "anchor" people and late-night talk shows, NYtimes, CNN, Washington post, etc.. A DISGRACE LIKE NEVER EVER SEEN BEFORE.

[Kirkland Laing]

Hang on Lyle. Your original claim was that the form whistleblowers fill out was changed a few days before the whistleblower made his complaint to allow second hand information. The intelligence community IG has come out publicly and said a. the form wasn't changed, secnd hand information has always been allowed and b. the whistleblower had first hand information. So your original claim is completely wrong. What part of this don't you understand?

I didn't say what the Whistleblower filled out changed the RULES & GUIDELINES regarding Whistleblower information were changed....does that not strike you as odd?

At the time the Complainant filed the Disclosure of Urgent Concern form with the ICIG
on August 12, 2019, the ICIG followed its routine practice and provided the Complainant
information, including “Background Information on ICWPA Process,” which included the
following language:
In order to find an urgent concern “credible,” the IC IG must be in
possession of reliable, first-hand information. The IC IG cannot transmit
information via the ICWPA based on an employee’s second-hand
knowledge of wrongdoing. This includes information received from
another person, such as when a fellow employee informs you that he/she
witnessed some type of wrongdoing. (Anyone with first-hand knowledge
of the allegations may file a disclosure in writing directly with the IC IG.)
Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide
sufficient basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you
think wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than secondhand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process the
complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA.
The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is
the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before
Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence
Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the
Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether
the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging
the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant
– or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect
to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand
information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern. The
ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law. Since
Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence
Community, the ICIG has not rejected the filing of an alleged urgent concern due to a
whistleblower’s lack of first-hand knowledge of the allegations.


So again that's 0.00 First-Hand information that this "whistleblower" provided but whatever you're free to keep hoping and dreaming.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27...wer-knowledge/
Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

Yyyyeah because that ain't sketchy as shit

The rules were not changed Lyle. This article appeared on the internet and Trump and the rest of the GOP rushed to use it as evidence that the deep state had changed the rules so the whistleblower could blow the whistle. However the intelligence community Inspector General, the man who handles whistleblower complaints and a Trump appointee, has subequently gone public and said the article is completely wrong, that a. the rules regarding second hand information haven't changed, second hand information has always been acceptable as evidence in a whistleblower complaint and b. the Trump whistleblower has first hand information after all. What part of this don't you understand?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...onspiracy.html

[Kirkland Laing]

Trump extorted the Ukrainian pm. After he personally blocked three hundred and fifty million dollars of military aid to Ukraine that had been approved by congress, the Pentagon and State Department Trump told the Ukrainian pm he had to fabricate an investigation against Joe Biden if he wanted access to American weapons. We know this because Trump released the transcript of the phone call. This is illegal Lyle and was done secretly, ignoring the correct protocols such as the treaty you mention. What part of this don't you understand?


The FBI didn't charge Hillary with anything Lyle. She didn't break any laws. She didn't destroy any evidence after it was subpoenaed.

It comes as no surprise that you have no idea about the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation. It's laid out in black and white in a couple of sentences in that link and you still can't get it.

Flynn and Papadopoulos both are on tape lying to the FBI and both admitted their guilt. Exactly how are they going to produce evidence exculpating them? Have you got this from the same batshit sources you got that list of your previous batshit claims from?

For the Russians to be indicted the evidence had to be produced by the Mueller team to the Trump DOJ who then go through every word and document to make sure it holds up. Or maybe there's a gigantic conspiracy between the Mueller team and Trump's handpicked DOJ staff. You would think instead of Barr currently flying round the world to try and get foreign intelligence agencies to give him information discrediting the Mueller investigation he's simply expose their trumped up charges against the Russians. But he can't do that because there exists evidence beyond reasonable doubt that the Russians hacked the Democrats and stole the information that ended up with Wikileaks.
T

Ah I see you buy into the Adam Schiff version of things. Trump didn't and wouldn't have had to ask the Ukrainian PM to "fabricate" anything about Joe Biden and his son and the prosecutor investigating Burisma. What WAS fabricated is Schiff's talking points that you're buying whole cloth.

Point out where it violates the treaty won't you?

Yeah that's the problem, they didn't charge her AFTER James Comey read aloud most of the crimes she committed and then pulled the "oh but she didn't INTEND to break the law" yeah how's about YOU try that one if you get in trouble and tell me how it works for you.

If everything is as you say then I guess you've got 0 to worry about then.

And this is all just disproved nonsense that has already been explained to you but has fallen off your teeny tiny little shelf. An example:

https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/9305...118208/video/1

No I remember you bringing up Shep and endorsed by Media Matters as well....did you save that link just for me?




What is this obsession with you and shelving? Is that what is happening to your posts when they turn out like his
T

....instead of like "This"?

Two days. Two days and everything already fell off your little shelf. I'll cut and paste the stuff from two days ago.

There isn't a transcript, there's a selectively edited White House memorandum of the conversation. From the time they gave the conversation lasting there should be about three times more words than they've so far shared. They scrapped the original transcript and stored an edited version in a top secret location instead of where it was meant to be kept where dozens of officials could access it for some reason. They've done whis with dozens of calls apparently.

Here's Fox news judge somethingorother on whether Trump broke the law or not:

Judge Napolitano: Trump has admitted committing crime in talks with Ukraine


and a video too

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-...admitted-crime


Even conservative news outlets have said he's bang to rights. The Washington Examiner, both editorial and various legal scholars (don't have time to find a link) and the premier conservative outlet, the National Review :

I haven’t been a litigator since 2015. I haven’t conducted a proper cross-examination since 2014. But if I couldn’t walk a witness, judge, and jury through the transcript of Donald Trump’s call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and demonstrate that a quid pro quo was more likely than not, then I should just hang up my suit and retire in disgrace. Far from being “scattershot” — as my esteemed colleague Kyle Smith declares — the actual sequence is extremely tight, and the asks are very clear.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-quid-pro-quo/


And here's a scene from the Godfather with the language from the White House "transcript" added:

https://twitter.com/LarryNoble_DC/st...59931033034759



Also, too:

After the call, multiple officials told the whistle-blower that future talks between Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelensky would depend on whether the Ukranians would “play ball” on the investigations.

I'm guessing Trump will be happy for all these officials to testify under oath to the impeachment inquiry.

And you don't have news for me Lyle, you have a bunch of whackadoodle conspiracy theories that you're too chickenshit to articulate. I have to say Lyle, if Trump is just waiting to drop the hammer and cart off all the deep state Democrats from Obama and Hillary on down then this would be the perfect theatrical moment to do it. It's going to happen any day now. You fucking nut, you gullible fucking moron.

[El Kabong]

Thank you for the many insults as per usual.


Given your stance all we can do now is wait and see who is correct at the end of it. Best of luck.

[Kirkland Laing]

Thank you for the many insults as per usual.


Given your stance all we can do now is wait and see who is correct at the end of it. Best of luck.

Yes Lyle. Will it be the intelligence agencies of various foreign countries and a bunch of American law enforcement professionals with, uh, unimpeachable reputations who have dedicated their lives to upholding the US constitution and enforcing the law including decorated military veterans or will it be a racist fraudster serial bankrupt money laundering sex criminal who since he entered the political arena has seen his campaign manager, replacement campaign manager, personal attorney, National Security Advisor and various other campaign operatives be convicted of felonies/serve jail time. Of course Trump is already an unindicted co conspirator in the charges that sent his attorney to jail. And now this impeachment thing -- coercing the leader of a foreign nation to fabricate charges against his main political rival. And apparently repeating this crime in public today at a press conference.

Which of us will be proved correct? It really could go either way.

[Spicoli]

easy steps to follow, all hushed-up in the MSM:

1. Hilary Clinton and the DNC paid Fusion GPS and FOREIGN AGENTS Christopher Steele (UK), Josef Mifsud (Malta), and Australian agents to COMPILE A PHONY DOSSIER ON TRUMP.
2. Phony Dossier was leaked by Brennan (CIA) and others in US to the NYTimes paper, which breathlessly published the unverified lies and smears.
3. FBI and CIA then say OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, LOOK WHAT THE TIMES PAPER HAS REVEALED! We need an investigations!
4. Phony Dossier was used BY OBAMA AND HIS APPOINTEES (comey, clapper, Brennan, etc) to apply for AND OBTAIN Foriegn Surveilance Intelligence Court (FISA) to obtain search warrants and wiretaps ON tRUMP
5. On 4 separate occassions, PHONY DOSSIER WAS USED AT FISA court to RE-NEW the warrants against Trump EVEN THOUGH COMEY SAID NUMEROUS TIMES ON RECORD IT WAS SALACIOUS AND UNVERIFIED
6. FISA abuse involed crooked agents ignoring EXCULPATRY EVIDENCE AS WELL AS RE-NEWING WARRANTS WHILST KNOWING the Phony Dosser was FAKE< PHONY< UNCVERIFIED AND SALACIOUS.
7. Corroboration e-mails obtained by Trump PROVE FBI WAS GUNNING FOR TRUMP, "insurance policy in case he wins" etc.... what was the "insurance policy?" ....
8. THE PHONY ROBERT MUELLER "IGNORE ALL EXCULAPTRY EVIDENCE" WITCH HUNT INVESTIGATION, lasting 3 years and costing $30 mill

after it crashed abnnd burnt, Mueller was disgraced and the dems and MSM bootlickers were DISGRACED IN PERDITION, but never apologized, then in pure shame and embarrasment they .......

9. WENT AFTER THE HONORABLE WILLIAM BARR ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE us of A

10. Now going after a nothing-hamburger Ukraine call that Ukraine Prez says NEVER HAPPENED, NO PRESSURE, etc.

the 24/7 Never-Trumpet MSM unhinged lackeys and globalist agenda "anchor" people and late-night talk shows, NYtimes, CNN, Washington post, etc.. A DISGRACE LIKE NEVER EVER SEEN BEFORE.

Wow new guy you're all in in under 50 posts. Def a rarity, just don't often see actual newbies hit the ground with all caps and shooting people . Like deja vu a bit. Huh. Imagine that. Happy Halloween though.

[El Kabong]

Yes Lyle. Will it be the intelligence agencies of various foreign countries and a bunch of American law enforcement professionals with, uh, unimpeachable reputations who have dedicated their lives to upholding the US constitution and enforcing the law including decorated military veterans or will it be a racist fraudster serial bankrupt money laundering sex criminal who since he entered the political arena has seen his campaign manager, replacement campaign manager, personal attorney, National Security Advisor and various other campaign operatives be convicted of felonies/serve jail time. Of course Trump is already an unindicted co conspirator in the charges that sent his attorney to jail. And now this impeachment thing -- coercing the leader of a foreign nation to fabricate charges against his main political rival. And apparently repeating this crime in public today at a press conference.

Which of us will be proved correct? It really could go either way.

Best of luck

[Spicoli]

Guess all that defense goes out the window when a President stands in front of the cameras and invites China to investigate candidates and interfere in U.S elections. Nope you just can't make that shat up.

Any American defending that has checked love of Country at the door.

[Kirkland Laing]

Make no mistake this Impeachment Inquiry which will hold place in the Intelligence Committee instead of there being a simple floor vote to start the impeachment process and that SHOULD tell the folks like Kirkland and Master and Spicoli and whoever else just assumes Trump is guilty that the Democrats have absolutely nothing and they are attempting to infer Trump's guilt to the American people and drag this shit out until it's time to vote in 2020 and they're placing all of their bets on 'Trump will lose because people think he's evil and corrupt and horrible' and I really do relish bringing you this news.....

$125 million raised in the third quarter for Trump tells of a decidedly different reality for most people. 50,000 new donors in two days and all Kirkland will say is "They're probably just Russians"



The truth will eventually come out and it's not going to be very good for the Democrats, not at all.....they could have and should have just charged Hillary but nope they bent the rules, they thought they could get away with it, and they just kept lying and lying and lying and now we're hopefully, finally, at the very last bit of a thread of a chance they have to cover everything up and if they fail, hell even if they succeed and Trump is impeached, (but obviously not removed 2/3rds is never happening in the Senate) then the tide will turn and those Democrats can run, but they can't hide, they will get demolished and not just in elections.

Must have missed where I stated I'm not in favor of impeachment. Before and after. No one knows what will come here, you me or the shadow. The GOP defense is deafening is you listen closely. Crickets save for the standard rantings of Nunez Inc. A few have actually found that their boys have dropped and they're standing up. Ever so sloooowly. The man sought political favors from a Foreign country to interfere in a U.S election. Period. This is beyond 'ohhh that A hole Trump he's a meany'. That was a convenience for him but that ship has sailed. He's snorkeling in the swamp now. Trump is best at walking into punches and it's how he finds himself constantly fighting backwards and making very little actual progress in thought out sound policy. He is always going backwards. Just as sending Barr as his personal errand boy to whitewash Russian interference and yet again knee cap law enforcement and his Intelligence agencies. He's a demo guy, and he's great at tearing things down.

The Barr thing is unreal. The Attorney General flying round the world trying to get foreign governments to contradict the evidence they've already produced in the Trump Russia investigation. You have Trump, his dodgy AG, Rudy and two GOP lawyers conducting an investigation that circumvents the entire US law enforcement system.

Way back in the year 2016 I can remember when the Attorney General having a brief public meeting with the husband of the subject of a criminal investigation was grounds for her to be investigated and locked up. It was called treasonous. I wonder if I searched for what Lyle had to say about Loretta Lynch on the tarmac with Clinton what I'd find.

Now we have Trump's AG, one of the subjects of the criminal whistleblower complaint and a man who should be therefore recused from anything to do with Trump-Russia flying round the world conducting his own investigation into US law enforcement. It's a sight to see.

[El Kabong]

The Barr thing is unreal. The Attorney General flying round the world trying to get foreign governments to contradict the evidence they've already produced in the Trump Russia investigation. You have Trump, his dodgy AG, Rudy and two GOP lawyers conducting an investigation that circumvents the entire US law enforcement system.

Way back in the year 2016 I can remember when the Attorney General having a brief public meeting with the husband of the subject of a criminal investigation was grounds for her to be investigated and locked up. It was called treasonous. I wonder if I searched for what Lyle had to say about Loretta Lynch on the tarmac with Clinton what I'd find.

Now we have Trump's AG, one of the subjects of the criminal whistleblower complaint and a man who should be therefore recused from anything to do with Trump-Russia flying round the world conducting his own investigation into US law enforcement. It's a sight to see.

Yeah so I guess go ahead and have that up or down vote on impeachment or just do the inquiry where it'll be a long drawn out thing that attempts to take the shine off of Trump, but ends up overshadowing the Democrat Primaries ....so again, best of luck

[Kirkland Laing]

The Barr thing is unreal. The Attorney General flying round the world trying to get foreign governments to contradict the evidence they've already produced in the Trump Russia investigation. You have Trump, his dodgy AG, Rudy and two GOP lawyers conducting an investigation that circumvents the entire US law enforcement system.

Way back in the year 2016 I can remember when the Attorney General having a brief public meeting with the husband of the subject of a criminal investigation was grounds for her to be investigated and locked up. It was called treasonous. I wonder if I searched for what Lyle had to say about Loretta Lynch on the tarmac with Clinton what I'd find.

Now we have Trump's AG, one of the subjects of the criminal whistleblower complaint and a man who should be therefore recused from anything to do with Trump-Russia flying round the world conducting his own investigation into US law enforcement. It's a sight to see.

Yeah so I guess go ahead and have that up or down vote on impeachment or just do the inquiry where it'll be a long drawn out thing that attempts to take the shine off of Trump, but ends up overshadowing the Democrat Primaries ....so again, best of luck

He's a one man crime wave. He's now openly criming in public. Congress is charged with upholding the constitution. They took an oath and everything. They can't not impeach a flamboyantly criminal president.

[Fatboxingfan]

easy steps to follow, all hushed-up in the MSM:

1. Hilary Clinton and the DNC paid Fusion GPS and FOREIGN AGENTS Christopher Steele (UK), Josef Mifsud (Malta), and Australian agents to COMPILE A PHONY DOSSIER ON TRUMP.
2. Phony Dossier was leaked by Brennan (CIA) and others in US to the NYTimes paper, which breathlessly published the unverified lies and smears.
3. FBI and CIA then say OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, LOOK WHAT THE TIMES PAPER HAS REVEALED! We need an investigations!
4. Phony Dossier was used BY OBAMA AND HIS APPOINTEES (comey, clapper, Brennan, etc) to apply for AND OBTAIN Foriegn Surveilance Intelligence Court (FISA) to obtain search warrants and wiretaps ON tRUMP
5. On 4 separate occassions, PHONY DOSSIER WAS USED AT FISA court to RE-NEW the warrants against Trump EVEN THOUGH COMEY SAID NUMEROUS TIMES ON RECORD IT WAS SALACIOUS AND UNVERIFIED
6. FISA abuse involed crooked agents ignoring EXCULPATRY EVIDENCE AS WELL AS RE-NEWING WARRANTS WHILST KNOWING the Phony Dosser was FAKE< PHONY< UNCVERIFIED AND SALACIOUS.
7. Corroboration e-mails obtained by Trump PROVE FBI WAS GUNNING FOR TRUMP, "insurance policy in case he wins" etc.... what was the "insurance policy?" ....
8. THE PHONY ROBERT MUELLER "IGNORE ALL EXCULAPTRY EVIDENCE" WITCH HUNT INVESTIGATION, lasting 3 years and costing $30 mill

after it crashed abnnd burnt, Mueller was disgraced and the dems and MSM bootlickers were DISGRACED IN PERDITION, but never apologized, then in pure shame and embarrasment they .......

9. WENT AFTER THE HONORABLE WILLIAM BARR ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE us of A

10. Now going after a nothing-hamburger Ukraine call that Ukraine Prez says NEVER HAPPENED, NO PRESSURE, etc.

the 24/7 Never-Trumpet MSM unhinged lackeys and globalist agenda "anchor" people and late-night talk shows, NYtimes, CNN, Washington post, etc.. A DISGRACE LIKE NEVER EVER SEEN BEFORE.

Wow new guy you're all in in under 50 posts. Def a rarity, just don't often see actual newbies hit the ground with all caps and shooting people . Like deja vu a bit. Huh. Imagine that. Happy Halloween though.

I never read in this world any rules about newbie using italics, fonts, all caps, punctuation marks or bold script or not, within or without a certain number of posts... plus the hole text of points I hit you hard on above you skirted around it by saying "newbie" etc. Its like msm, when hit hard by those same points above, just like to distract to other points.

[Fatboxingfan]

Guess all that defense goes out the window when a President stands in front of the cameras and invites China to investigate candidates and interfere in U.S elections. Nope you just can't make that shat up.

Any American defending that has checked love of Country at the door.

not important.

[El Kabong]

He's a one man crime wave. He's now openly criming in public. Congress is charged with upholding the constitution. They took an oath and everything. They can't not impeach a flamboyantly criminal president.

Yeah really gets the old noggin' a joggin' doesn't it? Why start with this Impeachment Inquiry? They have the votes in the House, up or down vote, Democrats win, they get to start the actual impeachment process......and yet they aren't doing it.....




....but yeah, nah, yeah I'm sure it's nothing