Not GGG bashing but...

[Primo Carnera]

It is like watching Hagler at the tail end of his career. That bit older, slower and vulnerable waiting for a young gun to finally beat him.

Golovkin crushed all his main challengers but did not have that classic rivalry or career defining fight.

The Canelo contests were ruined and as a result do not count.

Ffs! Stop posting like a 10 year old. Of course they fucking count! Both fights were close, so even if you think GGG won, they’re not exactly a robbery either way.
I don’t know what the fuss is all about, I genuinely thought the 1st fight was a draw, and I genuinely thought Canelo one the 2nd. But I totally see how people might have had it different.
There have been way worse decisions. Come on, I’m not a fan of Canelo , and until GGG started whoring himself out to Canelo like a little bitch, I was a fan of his. But you have to see it as it is.

[TitoFan]

It is like watching Hagler at the tail end of his career. That bit older, slower and vulnerable waiting for a young gun to finally beat him.

Golovkin crushed all his main challengers but did not have that classic rivalry or career defining fight.

The Canelo contests were ruined and as a result do not count.

Ffs! Stop posting like a 10 year old. Of course they fucking count! Both fights were close, so even if you think GGG won, they’re not exactly a robbery either way.
I don’t know what the fuss is all about, I genuinely thought the 1st fight was a draw, and I genuinely thought Canelo one the 2nd. But I totally see how people might have had it different.
There have been way worse decisions. Come on, I’m not a fan of Canelo , and until GGG started whoring himself out to Canelo like a little bitch, I was a fan of his. But you have to see it as it is.

Some of us think GGG should've won both fights, so go figure. Canelo wasn't going to lose a decision in Vegas... and anyone who thinks otherwise probably still believes in the stork.

This time around GGG was the bigger name, so he probably got a little bit of a consolation gift decision.

The bigger name gets the nod. And there ain't no bigger name in Vegas than Canelo.

[Ron Swanson]

It is like watching Hagler at the tail end of his career. That bit older, slower and vulnerable waiting for a young gun to finally beat him.

Golovkin crushed all his main challengers but did not have that classic rivalry or career defining fight.

The Canelo contests were ruined and as a result do not count.

Ffs! Stop posting like a 10 year old. Of course they fucking count! Both fights were close, so even if you think GGG won, they’re not exactly a robbery either way.
I don’t know what the fuss is all about, I genuinely thought the 1st fight was a draw, and I genuinely thought Canelo one the 2nd. But I totally see how people might have had it different.
There have been way worse decisions. Come on, I’m not a fan of Canelo , and until GGG started whoring himself out to Canelo like a little bitch, I was a fan of his. But you have to see it as it is.

Some of us think GGG should've won both fights, so go figure. Canelo wasn't going to lose a decision in Vegas... and anyone who thinks otherwise probably still believes in the stork.

This time around GGG was the bigger name, so he probably got a little bit of a consolation gift decision.

The bigger name gets the nod. And there ain't no bigger name in Vegas than Canelo.

Whichever way we had it I think we can all agree Canelo is his pimp. And GGG has yet to turn off the red light.

[palmerq]

I didn't watch it twice but at the time I didn't think golovkin v jacobs( who is a massive guy at the weight, yet only Alvarez is the git in these cases) was controversial at all, it was fairly close but I think golovkin won by a few points fairly easily.

I also didn't score the fight last night but I think sergiys performance was a bit overrated due to him starting some rounds really well and having golovkin in quite a pickle in the fifth round(still they're individual rounds) he missed/was blocked a good amount too and golovkin answered back with some g ood stuff, some of his jabs are better than the so called(by compubox) power punches. Ukrainian git put in a great effort but with the knockdown I think golovkin won it due a draw being impossible without even rounds, which probably should show up a bit more in the scorecards but wotever. Golovkin is really good at recovering from taking damage and being winded, he looked out of it in the second Alvarez fight and last night, top drawer boxer..

[powerpuncher]

I don’t doubt that GGG is tough. There are fighters who look more impressive against lesser fighter than others. Especially when you have big power. You look dominant beating decent opponents. You look unbeatable. Then you step up and realize that once somebody can take your punch, you aren’t nearly as good as you looked. Fighters can adjust to you and beat you.

Again, I thought that GGG beat Canelo twice, but I feel that Canelo proved that GGG isn’t is as good as advertised. If GGG were the #1 p4p guy like a lot of people thought, he should have more clearly best Canelo who I believe is overrated. Especially being so great, he should have adjusted and beat him easier in the second fight. But it was the opposite.

[Beanz]

I don’t doubt that GGG is tough. There are fighters who look more impressive against lesser fighter than others. Especially when you have big power. You look dominant beating decent opponents. You look unbeatable. Then you step up and realize that once somebody can take your punch, you aren’t nearly as good as you looked. Fighters can adjust to you and beat you.

Again, I thought that GGG beat Canelo twice, but I feel that Canelo proved that GGG isn’t is as good as advertised. If GGG were the #1 p4p guy like a lot of people thought, he should have more clearly best Canelo who I believe is overrated. Especially being so great, he should have adjusted and beat him easier in the second fight. But it was the opposite.

This is where it starts.

Claiming that GGG must have been overrated because he never clearly beat someone else you all think is overrated. Yet you all think he did in the first fight, like most fans (myself included) but the judges refused to admit that. Not knocking out Canelo now makes GGG overrated.

Ridiculous logic.

It stems from you guys refusal to rate Canelo realistically . Its not just you either, it is common across all boxing forums where he is underrated to the point that now you are all piling on, and dissing not only Golovkin, but the whole sport and other boxers with this daft "whoring himself out" "Canelo is his pimp" bullshit.

For all his faults Canelo is no Wilder. He has a solid CV and there is absolutely no shame in GGG choosing to rematch a guy, who many people, other than the judges, think he has beaten twice, for a huge payday.

Both GGG /Canelo fights proved that Canelo was indeed underrated to have made the contests so competitive. To not admit that is in fact, yet another way to bash GGG.

The guy can't win. He has fought Jacobs, Canelo, and now Derevyanchenko and not knocking them out or winning clearly on points has made him drop a level in your eyes. That is fine but is also evidence of you underrating Canelo and GGG, when a huge list of impressive stoppages by both are now repackaged as those opponents all being bums or overrated themselves. It's just not realistic and doesn't show any respect for the careers of all those fighters you are reducing to nobodies.

[powerpuncher]

I don’t doubt that GGG is tough. There are fighters who look more impressive against lesser fighter than others. Especially when you have big power. You look dominant beating decent opponents. You look unbeatable. Then you step up and realize that once somebody can take your punch, you aren’t nearly as good as you looked. Fighters can adjust to you and beat you.

Again, I thought that GGG beat Canelo twice, but I feel that Canelo proved that GGG isn’t is as good as advertised. If GGG were the #1 p4p guy like a lot of people thought, he should have more clearly best Canelo who I believe is overrated. Especially being so great, he should have adjusted and beat him easier in the second fight. But it was the opposite.

This is where it starts.

Claiming that GGG must have been overrated because he never clearly beat someone else you all think is overrated. Yet you all think he did in the first fight, like most fans (myself included) but the judges refused to admit that. Not knocking out Canelo now makes GGG overrated.

Ridiculous logic.

It stems from you guys refusal to rate Canelo realistically . Its not just you either, it is common across all boxing forums where he is underrated to the point that now you are all piling on, and dissing not only Golovkin, but the whole sport and other boxers with this daft "whoring himself out" "Canelo is his pimp" bullshit.

For all his faults Canelo is no Wilder. He has a solid CV and there is absolutely no shame in GGG choosing to rematch a guy, who many people, other than the judges, think he has beaten twice, for a huge payday.

Both GGG /Canelo fights proved that Canelo was indeed underrated to have made the contests so competitive. To not admit that is in fact, yet another way to bash GGG.

The guy can't win. He has fought Jacobs, Canelo, and now Derevyanchenko and not knocking them out or winning clearly on points has made him drop a level in your eyes. That is fine but is also evidence of you underrating Canelo and GGG, when a huge list of impressive stoppages by both are now repackaged as those opponents all being bums or overrated themselves. It's just not realistic and doesn't show any respect for the careers of all those fighters you are reducing to nobodies.

I’m thinking you didn’t understand my original point. I said that GGG was a very good fighter. The point I’ve been making is that there are levels to this. Fenster tried to compare Canelo to people like De la Hoya and Bhop. Even comparing GGG to them is far fetched. Both are la Hoya and Bhop have clearly beaten some great fighters and made them look like amateurs.

The best fighters that GGG has faced were Canelo, Jacobs, and Derevyanchenko. Jacobs and Derevyanchenko both had very good cases to have won the fights. He beat Canelo fairly clearly the first time (about as clearly as I thought Derevyanchenko beat GGG) and beat him in a close fight the next time IMO at least. He has some other good opponents on his hit list, but as I said before, some styles just look better against weaker opposition than others.

So GGG is a great fighter, but he proved to me that any time he stepped up, he couldn’t fully deliver. He is good enough to beat top fighters, but not good enough to prove that he is a level above them. So that’s my point. There are levels to this. GGG I thought before was on a higher tier, but I realized that at this point of his career, he has never proven to be able to get to that next level.

[TitoFan]

I don’t doubt that GGG is tough. There are fighters who look more impressive against lesser fighter than others. Especially when you have big power. You look dominant beating decent opponents. You look unbeatable. Then you step up and realize that once somebody can take your punch, you aren’t nearly as good as you looked. Fighters can adjust to you and beat you.

Again, I thought that GGG beat Canelo twice, but I feel that Canelo proved that GGG isn’t is as good as advertised. If GGG were the #1 p4p guy like a lot of people thought, he should have more clearly best Canelo who I believe is overrated. Especially being so great, he should have adjusted and beat him easier in the second fight. But it was the opposite.

This is where it starts.

Claiming that GGG must have been overrated because he never clearly beat someone else you all think is overrated. Yet you all think he did in the first fight, like most fans (myself included) but the judges refused to admit that. Not knocking out Canelo now makes GGG overrated.

Ridiculous logic.

It stems from you guys refusal to rate Canelo realistically . Its not just you either, it is common across all boxing forums where he is underrated to the point that now you are all piling on, and dissing not only Golovkin, but the whole sport and other boxers with this daft "whoring himself out" "Canelo is his pimp" bullshit.

For all his faults Canelo is no Wilder. He has a solid CV and there is absolutely no shame in GGG choosing to rematch a guy, who many people, other than the judges, think he has beaten twice, for a huge payday.

Both GGG /Canelo fights proved that Canelo was indeed underrated to have made the contests so competitive. To not admit that is in fact, yet another way to bash GGG.

The guy can't win. He has fought Jacobs, Canelo, and now Derevyanchenko and not knocking them out or winning clearly on points has made him drop a level in your eyes. That is fine but is also evidence of you underrating Canelo and GGG, when a huge list of impressive stoppages by both are now repackaged as those opponents all being bums or overrated themselves. It's just not realistic and doesn't show any respect for the careers of all those fighters you are reducing to nobodies.

Golovkin isn't overrated. Golovkin changed his whole career over Canelo. Big difference. Golovkin clearly got shafted in his first fight with Canelo. In their second fight, GGG used a stupid tactic in trying to outbox Canelo, instead of pressing forward and pressuring him. He got shafted in that one also. Since then, he's been fixated on Canelo and pretty much ignored everyone else, drawing the well-deserved criticism of the fans.

Canelo has two things going for him. A good beard... plus Vegas judges and a whole boxing org in his pocket. Other than that he's overrated.

[Master]

Triple G is at the end of his career and not the champion he was when he was knocking out world class fighters a couple of years ago. So he has even greater reason to call out Canelo, now that he has a title, and get another pay day but I hope he does challenge and beat the young guns who have belts to prove his quality.

How can GGG beat Canelo when he knows he will not get a decision? All out attack? I do not think he has the stamina now at his age and Canelo has a good chin. Comprehensively outboxing Canelo? Same thing, I do not think GGG has it in him. The only guarantee is that he will be paid very well which is a nice consolation.

[Primo Carnera]

It is like watching Hagler at the tail end of his career. That bit older, slower and vulnerable waiting for a young gun to finally beat him.

Golovkin crushed all his main challengers but did not have that classic rivalry or career defining fight.

The Canelo contests were ruined and as a result do not count.

Ffs! Stop posting like a 10 year old. Of course they fucking count! Both fights were close, so even if you think GGG won, they’re not exactly a robbery either way.
I don’t know what the fuss is all about, I genuinely thought the 1st fight was a draw, and I genuinely thought Canelo one the 2nd. But I totally see how people might have had it different.
There have been way worse decisions. Come on, I’m not a fan of Canelo , and until GGG started whoring himself out to Canelo like a little bitch, I was a fan of his. But you have to see it as it is.

Some of us think GGG should've won both fights, so go figure. Canelo wasn't going to lose a decision in Vegas... and anyone who thinks otherwise probably still believes in the stork.

This time around GGG was the bigger name, so he probably got a little bit of a consolation gift decision.

The bigger name gets the nod. And there ain't no bigger name in Vegas than Canelo.

Like I said, I get that, and although I don’t agree, I wouldn’t argue massively against it. There wasn’t a lot in it.
But my point is, you know you’re not gonna get a decision in Vegas against Canelo after the first fight.
So why bother chasing a rematch unless you’re gonna go in hard looking for a KO?
GGG looked less likely to KO Canelo in the 2nd fight than he did in the 1st. So why bother?

[Beanz]

I thought Golovkin won the fight last night, won the first Canelo fight and narrowly won the second Canelo fight, (though I could see how you could make it a draw or give it to Canelo, you can't do that with the first one so easily) . Is GGG not allowed narrow wins or close fights then? Surely being in those kind of fights and getting the win adds to his legacy not takes away? I don't think Canelo is over rated at all. He is massively under-rated. All the weight difference and drug cheating stuff is bollocks don't get me wrong, he doesn't get a free pass, but i think that has caused people to be very grudging in awarding him any justified praise. Much of his boxing is very classy and at times, sublime. He is an elite fighter and Oscar being a dick does not nullify that. So with that in mind GGG is anything but a mug. He fought someone who will go down as a modern great (maybe not at the same level as many past greats) arguably beat him twice, made a ton of money and increased his exposure and has dealt with every fighter put in front of him with real gutsy and quality displays.

Great Fighter.

[Fatboxingfan]

Threw punches at unthodox angles, agression fighter, pressure fighter, willing to win every match, sparring with heavyer weight who said on to ocassions "GGG hits like a heavy weight". What that tells you? Hella fighter! ATG? Nah, not a Hagler but next-best to the Hagler level!

[TitoFan]

I thought Golovkin won the fight last night, won the first Canelo fight and narrowly won the second Canelo fight, (though I could see how you could make it a draw or give it to Canelo, you can't do that with the first one so easily) . Is GGG not allowed narrow wins or close fights then? Surely being in those kind of fights and getting the win adds to his legacy not takes away? I don't think Canelo is over rated at all. He is massively under-rated. All the weight difference and drug cheating stuff is bollocks don't get me wrong, he doesn't get a free pass, but i think that has caused people to be very grudging in awarding him any justified praise. Much of his boxing is very classy and at times, sublime. He is an elite fighter and Oscar being a dick does not nullify that. So with that in mind GGG is anything but a mug. He fought someone who will go down as a modern great (maybe not at the same level as many past greats) arguably beat him twice, made a ton of money and increased his exposure and has dealt with every fighter put in front of him with real gutsy and quality displays.

Great Fighter.

I was trying to follow you on that until I got to the "massively under-rated" part.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!


Stop it you're killing me here. Did you reread what you just wrote?? Massively underrated?? Canelo is Mr. Boxing, FFS man!! Wake the f*ck up and smell the roses!

Nobody underrates Canelo. TV fawns all over him. Non-boxing fans are acutely aware of that "handsome" ginger face. Vegas will probably be renamed in his honor. They're even building a NEW STADIUM, FFS..... not for the relocated NFL franchise, which is just a flimsy excuse and what Vegas would want you to believe. It's gonna be a shrine for The Anointed One.

In what galaxy, pray tell..... is Canelo even f*cking remotely close to being underrated?? Is this just another language difference between your part of the world and this one?

Dude..... I've read some doozies in my 15 years here. But this one tops them all. Canelo is not just underrated. He's MASSIVELY underrated.

Do me a favor. Be available for my next party, so I can use you for comedy. If things get slow, you can tell everyone what you just said about Canelo being "massively" underrated. I promise you, you'll have them rolling in the aisles till sunup.



The King of Boxing, who has his own boxing dates..... his own belts (which the WBC lovingly crafts for him)..... his own judges (he pays good money for them)..... and his legions of screaming female (or effeminate) fans...... is....... how'd you put it?

MASSIVELY UNDERRATED

Wow.

All of a sudden I have an urge to take a huge dump.

[TitoFan]

And BINGO, pal. He most certainly DOESN'T get a pass on all the weight shenanigans and bullshit AS WELL as the drug cheating stuff. A coddled matinee idol since Day One, and he STILL has had the nerve to do all this weight hop-scotching and pathetically try to blame cows for his doping.

[powerpuncher]

I’m just trying to be fair all around. I say the same thing about Canelo. Canelo finally beat Jacobs close but clearly, but every other good fighter before that he won a fight that could have gone either way (Trout, Lara, GGG).

I will reiterate. Some fighters look more impressive because of their style and power against lesser competition. It’s when you step up that you see what level you are on. Same with Spence. If Spence keeps stepping up his competition and continues to win close/controversial decisions, then he will be in the same boat.

Great fighters can narrowly beat a lot of good fighters. Elite fighters will inevitably have close fights, but will prove to be able to dominate great fighters. So I’m saying that GGG is great but just not ATG level. He never proved real separation against his best competition.