Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
You made me do it and it hurts critizing the great Joe Louis.

Whilst i said Joe did not duck anyone you conveniently ignored the important fact that you can not dispute (but you will now try) that he never fought anyone of the calibre that Ali fought. Frazier, Foreman and Liston were great boxers better than anything Joe fought.

It is more than speculation that Joe had trouble with movers and Ali was all wrong for Louis.


It is not just size that Ali had the advantage it was speed and skill.


25 defences is a sign of a great heavyweight champion and i am not belittling that.


15 stone is big for those times when Johnson fought.



So he didn't duck anyone BUT he also didn't fight guys who weren't around during his era...gee how very dare he


And Ali what didn't have trouble with Joe Frazier? Compare just a left hand (all Frazier had when he beat Ali) to Louis' arsenal...dynamite in both hands, rarely misjudged distance, very accurate and devastating when he landed. I must be imagining things but didn't Henry Cooper almost KO Ali? Is 'enry on par with Louis in terms of greatness as a boxer?


Ali had speed and size advantages over most of the guys he fought....he still lost fights.


25 in a row is statistically the GREATEST


John L. Sullivan was just as big ...I don't doubt Johnson's greatness, just saying 'Galveston Giant' is a bit much. Bigger than the common man, perhaps, but still. Great fighter, giant personality, exceptionally tall? Nah. Exceptionally muscular? Nah. Just an exceptional fighter.