Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
What are you bumbling on about? Of course you can only fight who is in your era.

Where have you dismantled my argument? You just keep ignoring what I wrote.

What I am saying quite clearly is that Ali fought 3 of the greatest heavyweights ever in the history of the division and you could not name me any who were better that Joe beat than them or who would be in anyone's top 10.

I am not expecting you to agree and you can have anyone as your number 1 heavyweight. Twenty five defences is a great statistic but use your common sense and intelligence. Joe was vulnerable early, got knocked down by relatively average fighters, slow footed and did not like movers. Joe was knocked out before became champion. All clear signs that Ali was the perfect boxer to beat Joe Louis, he was all wrong for him.

We can debate Jack Johnson another time he is getting in the way of this post.
Well if you can only fight who is in your era why are you holding Joe Louis' era against him? He had no control over it!


ok sure, I didn't "dismantle your argument" whatever you say.


What makes those 3 heavyweights "great"? I didn't even attempt to list off who Joe Louis beat because good, bad, indifferent they are different fighters from different eras. And while you can look at someone like Max Baer and say "He wasn't great" in his era he was a big time somebody as was James J Braddock, Jimmy Bivins was a hell of a fighter quite underrated, Jersey Joe Walcott, Jack Sharkey was a quality fighter, Max Schmeling was a quality fighter, the nearly 6'7 Buddy Baer who had a very good record was easily taken out by Joe TWICE.


Louis had trouble with movers....ok and my response was Ali had trouble with Frazier who stalked Ali down each time they fought and guess what Ali lost one of those bouts. Louis had trouble with Walcott when Louis was well past it, but in the rematch Louis knocked him spark out.


Sorry, Joe Louis is my guy, I'd take him over ANY other heavyweight, ANY @Master.....ANY