Is the earth flat?

[Andre]

Wrong.

Still waiting on your practical demonstration.

There is a pro flat Earth meme that shows a game show host asking "Show me Curved Water".

My answer: A drip, falling to Earth; due to gravity.

That is a False equivalence. We understand adhesion, cohesion, meniscus and surface tension. We can test it and demonstrate it. I am talking about the surface of a standing body of water. Are you trying to pass of a rain drop as some kind of representation of the globe model?

How about a bubble that is water floating through through the atmosphere the same as a drip. Why cant that represent a model in miniature? Most planets were apparently gasses and water floating through the void.Planets are not a standing body of liquid either so why force the issue as if they are all plates up and down and around us?

[Andre]

Which brings me to another question if you dont mind: Do flat earth believers also believe that all the other planets are flat and the sun too as well as the moon or just ours? BTW, You are correct I havent read through all the posts here.

[Fatboxingfan]

Andre has ~nailed~ it, and nailed it good.

[Alpha]

Wrong.

Still waiting on your practical demonstration.

There is a pro flat Earth meme that shows a game show host asking "Show me Curved Water".

My answer: A drip, falling to Earth; due to gravity.

That is a False equivalence. We understand adhesion, cohesion, meniscus and surface tension. We can test it and demonstrate it. I am talking about the surface of a standing body of water. Are you trying to pass of a rain drop as some kind of representation of the globe model?

How about a bubble that is water floating through through the atmosphere the same as a drip. Why cant that represent a model in miniature? Most planets were apparently gasses and water floating through the void.Planets are not a standing body of liquid either so why force the issue as if they are all plates up and down and around us?

I noticed you didn’t respond to attempt to establish first principles, not sure if that was on purpose or you missed it, so I’ll post it again:

Would you agree that it's an objective physical truth that a body of water will always take the shape of its container and the surface will always be level?

Another one would be:

Do you accept images ‘ALONE’ as proof of anything?

I’m not sure if your taking the piss about why it can’t represent a model miniature or not. But I’d start with where is the solid core, all the other metals, minerals, soil etc?

When have I ever said, “they are all plates up and down around us”? Bit of a strawman there mate. Also, we are talking about the physics of tangible substances here on earth.

Which brings me to another question if you dont mind: Do flat earth believers also believe that all the other planets are flat and the sun too as well as the moon or just ours? BTW, You are correct I havent read through all the posts here.

Can you define the term flat earther? As I have said many times, the term has been hijacked to evoke propaganda in your mind. I’m a realist, questions the claims that were taught to me.

I can only speak for and represent myself, through my own experiences. I have never been to these planets or the moon, to be able to move around them in 3D, so I could test them and interact with them. So, I can only tell you what I have seen through telescopes and high zoom cameras. I can tell you that what I see, is far different from what NASA and Co. are showing me. But again, looking at the sky gives me nothing, quantifiable, or measurable for the ground beneath my feet.

It's like you saying an eclipse is proof of curvature. I'm asking where can I measure that curvature? Because it isn't there. You know what the circumference of earth is, you can easily work out how much it should be curving per mile.

[Fatboxingfan]

So you don't trust your eyes, so why start with a presumptuous premise as a priori?

[Alpha]

So you don't trust your eyes, so why start with a presumptuous premise as a priori?

Our senses can be fooled. Like the visual phenomena example I used of railway tracks appearing to converge, when the reality is that thtey remain parallel.

If you want a discussion, lets try to agree on some first principles.

Would you agree that it's an objective physical truth that a body of water will always take the shape of its container and the surface will always be level?

Do you accept images ‘ALONE’ as proof of anything?

If we don't agree, then there is no point in us continuing to discuss the topic.

[Beanz]

Alpha you are confusing philosophical concepts with scientific criteria. You are basically arguing against yourself in insisting on two principles that cancel each other out.

You are not displaying a healthy skepticism but rather a retreat into denialism. You are in one breath saying you cannot trust your eyes and at the same time demanding that the illusion of level water on the horizon be accepted as evidence despite it requiring that you deny overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary.

You are also mocking Andre's bubbles for not having metals and a core when you have for the entire thread denied that is necessary and impossible to model when dealing with your own curved water around a sphere mantra.