The Lonely NFL Thread (complete with tumbleweeds)

[El Kabong]

I don't know whether he's a good speaker or not... probably not. But if he is, and were so inclined, I believe he'd probably speak up about the current white cop/black man situation (was going to call it a crisis, but situation will do for now) in the United States. That's probably part of what prompted Kaepernick's protests in the first place. He's out of football anyway, so what the hell....

I'm not against the guy earning whatever money he can in football, out of football, I do not care. I only notice he seems like he doesn't much want to play OR maybe he wants to play on HIS terms and I'm sorry that doesn't happen like ever.

....so that's a NO on watching the Larry Elder video which covers exactly that very specific thing?

I mean there are SOME unjustified uses of force by police obviously and to which citizens that happens most frequently to and WHY exactly that is the case...there's a discussion to be had there, but the police aren't the National Anthem and so there's perhaps a disconnect (I doubt it, I think I've got a good idea of who Kaep and his lady friend are and what they believe) between his protests and a lot of Americans and some of those Americans happen to be football fans...something I no longer consider myself but it's not down to him that's more due to the rule changes and pussification of the game.


If the guy can still play he should be in the league, but having played football myself I know for a fact coaches don't like distractions. They don't like opera singers, you know the "Me, Me, Me" guys because they destroy and distract teams. You've got a guy who says he wants to play and he plans this headfake of a tryout in advance....yyyyyyeah I can't see too many teams going "OOOOOH I like that guy! He's 32 had a few surgeries and been out of the league since 2016 and he just jerked the chain of all the teams who wanted to scout him. Let's sign HIM!" ......it's a bad move and in this case he's again got nobody to blame but himself.

[TitoFan]

I don't know whether he's a good speaker or not... probably not. But if he is, and were so inclined, I believe he'd probably speak up about the current white cop/black man situation (was going to call it a crisis, but situation will do for now) in the United States. That's probably part of what prompted Kaepernick's protests in the first place. He's out of football anyway, so what the hell....

I'm not against the guy earning whatever money he can in football, out of football, I do not care. I only notice he seems like he doesn't much want to play OR maybe he wants to play on HIS terms and I'm sorry that doesn't happen like ever.

....so that's a NO on watching the Larry Elder video which covers exactly that very specific thing?

I mean there are SOME unjustified uses of force by police obviously and to which citizens that happens most frequently to and WHY exactly that is the case...there's a discussion to be had there, but the police aren't the National Anthem and so there's perhaps a disconnect (I doubt it, I think I've got a good idea of who Kaep and his lady friend are and what they believe) between his protests and a lot of Americans and some of those Americans happen to be football fans...something I no longer consider myself but it's not down to him that's more due to the rule changes and pussification of the game.


If the guy can still play he should be in the league, but having played football myself I know for a fact coaches don't like distractions. They don't like opera singers, you know the "Me, Me, Me" guys because they destroy and distract teams. You've got a guy who says he wants to play and he plans this headfake of a tryout in advance....yyyyyyeah I can't see too many teams going "OOOOOH I like that guy! He's 32 had a few surgeries and been out of the league since 2016 and he just jerked the chain of all the teams who wanted to scout him. Let's sign HIM!" ......it's a bad move and in this case he's again got nobody to blame but himself.

One thing for sure is that the more time passes, the less likely it is he'll get another crack at the NFL. If he's not actually serious about wanting back in, it'll never happen. The distraction thing is a real point. But not so much for the "me, me, me" aspect of it, as for the annoying press coverage that would make it 99% about Colin Kaepernick and 1% about the rest of the team. Chemistry would go right out the window.

So yeah... I wouldn't bet money on Kaep ever returning to the league. As for his cause, it may not be him, but hopefully somewhere down the line someone else will pick up the ball and run with it. The good thing about someone like Kaep doing it is that people tend to listen more to high-profile figures, like athletes, celebrities, etc. The average Joe gets up and starts to pontificate about the evils of today's white cop society.... and precious few will even bother to listen.

[El Kabong]

One thing for sure is that the more time passes, the less likely it is he'll get another crack at the NFL. If he's not actually serious about wanting back in, it'll never happen. The distraction thing is a real point. But not so much for the "me, me, me" aspect of it, as for the annoying press coverage that would make it 99% about Colin Kaepernick and 1% about the rest of the team. Chemistry would go right out the window.

So yeah... I wouldn't bet money on Kaep ever returning to the league. As for his cause, it may not be him, but hopefully somewhere down the line someone else will pick up the ball and run with it. The good thing about someone like Kaep doing it is that people tend to listen more to high-profile figures, like athletes, celebrities, etc. The average Joe gets up and starts to pontificate about the evils of today's white cop society.... and precious few will even bother to listen.

Oh ESPN is DYING for him to get in the league regardless of if he's good, bad, indifferent, starting, on the bench, whatever they just want to ring the Colin Kaepernick bell until the clapper falls out! Him just trying out has them in a state of worshipful focus. Yes chemistry would be right out the window, the "Me, Me, Me" guys are a distraction and that goes for egomaniacs like Terrell Owens just the same as political figures like Kaepernick and religious figures like Tim Tebow....they all drew the eyes of the media and that ruffles feathers especially when they fuck up and dont' want the spotlight shining on them OR they take spotlight off of a top performer who is earning it....although in some cases that's a good thing and can be used by a smart coach.


Is that the GOOD thing about it though? I mean look at the NBA and China and the Hong Kong situation....is it GOOD that Lebron James is out there making a damned fool of himself to cover for China's tyranny? That ain't good.

White cop society? Wut?

[TitoFan]

One thing for sure is that the more time passes, the less likely it is he'll get another crack at the NFL. If he's not actually serious about wanting back in, it'll never happen. The distraction thing is a real point. But not so much for the "me, me, me" aspect of it, as for the annoying press coverage that would make it 99% about Colin Kaepernick and 1% about the rest of the team. Chemistry would go right out the window.

So yeah... I wouldn't bet money on Kaep ever returning to the league. As for his cause, it may not be him, but hopefully somewhere down the line someone else will pick up the ball and run with it. The good thing about someone like Kaep doing it is that people tend to listen more to high-profile figures, like athletes, celebrities, etc. The average Joe gets up and starts to pontificate about the evils of today's white cop society.... and precious few will even bother to listen.

Oh ESPN is DYING for him to get in the league regardless of if he's good, bad, indifferent, starting, on the bench, whatever they just want to ring the Colin Kaepernick bell until the clapper falls out! Him just trying out has them in a state of worshipful focus. Yes chemistry would be right out the window, the "Me, Me, Me" guys are a distraction and that goes for egomaniacs like Terrell Owens just the same as political figures like Kaepernick and religious figures like Tim Tebow....they all drew the eyes of the media and that ruffles feathers especially when they fuck up and dont' want the spotlight shining on them OR they take spotlight off of a top performer who is earning it....although in some cases that's a good thing and can be used by a smart coach.


Is that the GOOD thing about it though? I mean look at the NBA and China and the Hong Kong situation....is it GOOD that Lebron James is out there making a damned fool of himself to cover for China's tyranny? That ain't good.

White cop society? Wut?

The white cop/black man shooting problem. The problem that, although it doesn't affect US (you and me), is still a problem. Your dislike for Kaepernick and others like him (Lebron, etc) is apparent. I personally don't hold Kaepernick's outspoken-ness against him. In Lebron's case, he's mouthing off about a global issue that is really none of his concern, regardless of NBA's ties or derived benefits from China. It's not his case to plead.

Terrell Owens was all about Terrell Owens. Now THAT'S a "me, me, me" guy now that you mention it. I don't group those three together.

[TitoFan]

Many people (not saying you) don't like Kaepernick because he brings to the public eye something they don't want to see. Out of sight... out of mind. People will happily put on blinders to something that doesn't affect them personally, and resent it when someone interrupts their happy consciousness to talk about a problem that's real and must be addressed. That's why I have nothing against Kaepernick and hopes he does even better outside of football than he did in it.

[El Kabong]

The white cop/black man shooting problem. The problem that, although it doesn't affect US (you and me), is still a problem. Your dislike for Kaepernick and others like him (Lebron, etc) is apparent. I personally don't hold Kaepernick's outspoken-ness against him. In Lebron's case, he's mouthing off about a global issue that is really none of his concern, regardless of NBA's ties or derived benefits from China. It's not his case to plead.

Terrell Owens was all about Terrell Owens. Now THAT'S a "me, me, me" guy now that you mention it. I don't group those three together.

Yes because it's apparently 1960's Alabama all of a sudden again Has Bull Connor come back from the dead and I missed it? Did I fall asleep near a wormhole and wake up in Apartheid South Africa? Unwarranted and extreme violence from the police is something that can be discussed, and it should be, but #1. All cops aren't white #2 All citizens impacted by wrongful use of force from cops aren't necessarily black ...and if we can't start out on that then what will we start on? Should we form a line going most oppressed to least oppressed?

Many people (not saying you) don't like Kaepernick because he brings to the public eye something they don't want to see. Out of sight... out of mind. People will happily put on blinders to something that doesn't affect them personally, and resent it when someone interrupts their happy consciousness to talk about a problem that's real and must be addressed. That's why I have nothing against Kaepernick and hopes he does even better outside of football than he did in it.

There have been literal riots due to these shootings, justified or unjustified, good shot/bad shot, doesn't matter fucking RIOT because someone got shot by the police regardless of the color of the officer too! the news media is all over these events as well....who isn't talking about them?

Seems like a lose lose situation for me to even attempt to discuss the "issue" what with my skin color and all

[TitoFan]

The white cop/black man shooting problem. The problem that, although it doesn't affect US (you and me), is still a problem. Your dislike for Kaepernick and others like him (Lebron, etc) is apparent. I personally don't hold Kaepernick's outspoken-ness against him. In Lebron's case, he's mouthing off about a global issue that is really none of his concern, regardless of NBA's ties or derived benefits from China. It's not his case to plead.

Terrell Owens was all about Terrell Owens. Now THAT'S a "me, me, me" guy now that you mention it. I don't group those three together.

Yes because it's apparently 1960's Alabama all of a sudden again Has Bull Connor come back from the dead and I missed it? Did I fall asleep near a wormhole and wake up in Apartheid South Africa? Unwarranted and extreme violence from the police is something that can be discussed, and it should be, but #1. All cops aren't white #2 All citizens impacted by wrongful use of force from cops aren't necessarily black ...and if we can't start out on that then what will we start on? Should we form a line going most oppressed to least oppressed?

Many people (not saying you) don't like Kaepernick because he brings to the public eye something they don't want to see. Out of sight... out of mind. People will happily put on blinders to something that doesn't affect them personally, and resent it when someone interrupts their happy consciousness to talk about a problem that's real and must be addressed. That's why I have nothing against Kaepernick and hopes he does even better outside of football than he did in it.

There have been literal riots due to these shootings, justified or unjustified, good shot/bad shot, doesn't matter fucking RIOT because someone got shot by the police regardless of the color of the officer too! the news media is all over these events as well....who isn't talking about them?

Seems like a lose lose situation for me to even attempt to discuss the "issue" what with my skin color and all

You leave precious little wiggle room for debate, Lyle. So it's "let's not even talk about it, 'cause it's not a worthy cause or a real problem?" I'd hate to think that's how you really feel. No it's not 1960's Alabama all over again, and your mention of it unfortunately trashes whatever argument one may have that things are not well and could definitely improve. Why the perceived backlash, Lyle? It's an issue that isn't going to go away by itself. No... all cops aren't white. No... all citizens impacted by wrongful use of force aren't all black.

The thing about is, you know how I think about this. You know I know about the victim card played by a lot of blacks looking to ride the coattails of these incidents and cry "racism" to just about anything. Yet you agree when I talk like that... but you immediately disagree when I touch on some of the worthy points on the OTHER side. Why? We can't only agree when I'm totally on your side. Or maybe that's how these topics should be handled. I see both sides, and you know it. But I'm not going to excuse or sweep under the rug the many incidents where racist white cops have shot black men (and even women) in a blatant abuse of power because of their racist views. I don't care if the media covers this more than the "other" incidents, where I guess black racist cops shoot and kill white guys. If any of those came up, I'd be just as critical of those also.

It's not either/or for me. It's whatever is right and wrong. Racist cops shooting black guys is a bad thing (using Trump's vernacular). Why can't we just leave it at that?

Riots? I don't care about riots. Riots don't bring back young black men who have been executed by trigger-happy, unfit-for-the-job white cops. It's a problem whether anyone else sees it as a problem or not.