KING VS KONG - Wilder vs Ortiz 2

[Yuzo]

Good post. I like Wilder a lot, but I think it is dangerous to rely on a single knock out punch. Maybe having been in with Ortiz he felt he could turn it on when he needed to. I don't know. With Fury it will be harder as Wilder will have to stalk and Fury knows he can bore his way into taking all of the rounds, but will Wilder be able to time and stop him? After this I have a hard time seeing Wilder winning many rounds unless those are rounds where he inflicts hurt. I thought maybe the first fight might have been an off night, but it is now a habit for Wilder not to win many rounds. Quite strange. I am not sure a knock out will come against Fury who isn't stupid and knows he can outbox Wilder, knows the power, and has range and height that is hard to train for. It is an intriguing fight.

you know i think with ortiz he always will have this guy that is just going to stand in front of him. that is a guy that is always going to be hanging out on the end of a right hand. fury moved and stayed just outside of a right hand, so wilder has to close that gap and its a lot more predictable when you have all that space to see it coming.

i think the problem that fury had in that fight was that he kept ducking the right hand. the danger of ducking the right hand is that if he throws the right hand where your head will be, not where it was, you duck into it and you get hit.



if fury didnt get hit by that he wins that fight pretty easy. that is something that can be fixed. i do not know if he will fix it.

[Ron Swanson]

Good post. I like Wilder a lot, but I think it is dangerous to rely on a single knock out punch. Maybe having been in with Ortiz he felt he could turn it on when he needed to. I don't know. With Fury it will be harder as Wilder will have to stalk and Fury knows he can bore his way into taking all of the rounds, but will Wilder be able to time and stop him? After this I have a hard time seeing Wilder winning many rounds unless those are rounds where he inflicts hurt. I thought maybe the first fight might have been an off night, but it is now a habit for Wilder not to win many rounds. Quite strange. I am not sure a knock out will come against Fury who isn't stupid and knows he can outbox Wilder, knows the power, and has range and height that is hard to train for. It is an intriguing fight.

you know i think with ortiz he always will have this guy that is just going to stand in front of him. that is a guy that is always going to be hanging out on the end of a right hand. fury moved and stayed just outside of a right hand, so wilder has to close that gap and its a lot more predictable when you have all that space to see it coming.

i think the problem that fury had in that fight was that he kept ducking the right hand. the danger of ducking the right hand is that if he throws the right hand where your head will be, not where it was, you duck into it and you get hit.



if fury didnt get hit by that he wins that fight pretty easy. that is something that can be fixed. i do not know if he will fix it.

At the same time, the adjustment from overshooting is easier than taking a person that instinctively ducks right and make them stop that.

[Yuzo]

At the same time, the adjustment from overshooting is easier than taking a person that instinctively ducks right and make them stop that.

i think i know what you mean. youre right, and if you just slowed down, so that at the top of your jab you give yourself a little more time to see what he does before throwing your right hand you let yourself make a better decision.



the other way to throw a right hand here is to let him drop under your jab and scoop him back up with the uppercut.



but if you just slow yourself down a little you start to see stuff like that. everybody wants to speed up. nobody wants to slow down.

[Ron Swanson]

True. And you can feint to get the guy to move right, before you throw. But that’s asking a lot of a guy as limited as Wilder. But in the post fight press conference he was talking about overshooting so he knew the necessary adjustment. Making the necessary adjustment is a hole different ball of wax.

I think he simply meant he was stepping in too aggressively and covering too much distance.

[TitoFan]

On a side note, I wonder if that mouthpiece knocked out by Big George actually cleared the top rope. It definitely cleared the referee.