Gervonta Davis v Yuriorkis Gamboa

[Alpha]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

Donaire went back down in weight where he belonged and showed that he still had something left in the tank. He starting losing when he went up in weight. But like Alpha said, if anything, Inoue slipped a little from how I saw him. He did fracture his orbital in the second or third round I think so he did well considering that.

Gamboa isn’t a push over, but he hasn’t proven anything as of late that he has rejuvenated his career. I do think that Gamboa is a live dog, but the difference is that Inoue fought top contenders in previous bouts. Tank has not.

I thought Wilder bearing Ortiz was a good win. His age gets overstated. Ortiz hasn’t really shown his age in his fights. Ever since I first watched him fight, he hasn’t really changed. The only thing you could say is maybe his chin is weaker with age but that’s just speculation.

Ortiz was a good win, he was a top 10 guy. It would be a stretch to get Gamboa in the top 10 at 135. Also after today, I'm confident in saying Donaire would have beaten Tete. Lets have Inoue vs Oubaali and Donaire vs Casimero.

[powerpuncher]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

Donaire went back down in weight where he belonged and showed that he still had something left in the tank. He starting losing when he went up in weight. But like Alpha said, if anything, Inoue slipped a little from how I saw him. He did fracture his orbital in the second or third round I think so he did well considering that.

Gamboa isn’t a push over, but he hasn’t proven anything as of late that he has rejuvenated his career. I do think that Gamboa is a live dog, but the difference is that Inoue fought top contenders in previous bouts. Tank has not.

I thought Wilder bearing Ortiz was a good win. His age gets overstated. Ortiz hasn’t really shown his age in his fights. Ever since I first watched him fight, he hasn’t really changed. The only thing you could say is maybe his chin is weaker with age but that’s just speculation.

Ortiz was a good win, he was a top 10 guy. It would be a stretch to get Gamboa in the top 10 at 135. Also after today, I'm confident in saying Donaire would have beaten Tete. Lets have Inoue vs Oubaali and Donaire vs Casimero.

I assumed that they would put Inoue against Casimero. A very winnable fight that is against a title holder

[Fenster]

Donaire is in a different stratosphere to Gamboa and Ortiz, not just the fact he was still a current highly rated "world" champion but his past accomplishments. He was underrated against Inoue. Boxing fans are too quick to write off proven world-class fighters. Class is permanent.

Donaire - four weight "world" champion, Ring Belt Champion, defeated thirteen former/future "world" champions, 2012 Fighter of the Year, 2007 Upset of the Year, 2007, 2011 KO of the Year, spent four years concurrent top six P4P rated (Ring). First Ballot HOF. Fact.

Gamboa - former featherweight "world" champion, defeated 6 former "world" champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

Ortiz - ZERO x "world" champion, defeated ZERO former/current champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

[Ron Swanson]

Donaire is in a different stratosphere to Gamboa and Ortiz, not just the fact he was still a current highly rated "world" champion but his past accomplishments. He was underrated against Inoue. Boxing fans are too quick to write off proven world-class fighters. Class is permanent.

Donaire - four weight "world" champion, Ring Belt Champion, defeated thirteen former/future "world" champions, 2012 Fighter of the Year, 2007 Upset of the Year, 2007, 2011 KO of the Year, spent four years concurrent top six P4P rated (Ring). First Ballot HOF. Fact.

Gamboa - former featherweight "world" champion, defeated 6 former "world" champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

Ortiz - ZERO x "world" champion, defeated ZERO former/current champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

You still claiming Miguel Marriaga coming off a loss and moving up in weight is a good opponent? 3 world title opportunities, 3 losses. Bunch of bums otherwise but wins your favor because you like the opponent, fact. Is it that you are a terrible judge of talent or that you have an agenda?

You are so obvious. Marriaga is good but Gamboa isn’t, GTFOOH with your BS. I see right through you. Everyone will eventually because you are so obvious and I’ll just keep pointing out your double standards and they’ll catch on to exactly when they appl. You can’t do the same thing every time forever before people see it

[powerpuncher]

Donaire is in a different stratosphere to Gamboa and Ortiz, not just the fact he was still a current highly rated "world" champion but his past accomplishments. He was underrated against Inoue. Boxing fans are too quick to write off proven world-class fighters. Class is permanent.

Donaire - four weight "world" champion, Ring Belt Champion, defeated thirteen former/future "world" champions, 2012 Fighter of the Year, 2007 Upset of the Year, 2007, 2011 KO of the Year, spent four years concurrent top six P4P rated (Ring). First Ballot HOF. Fact.

Gamboa - former featherweight "world" champion, defeated 6 former "world" champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

Ortiz - ZERO x "world" champion, defeated ZERO former/current champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

You still claiming Miguel Marriaga coming off a loss and moving up in weight is a good opponent? 3 world title opportunities, 3 losses. Bunch of bums otherwise but wins your favor because you like the opponent, fact. Is it that you are a terrible judge of talent or that you have an agenda?

You are so obvious. Marriaga is good but Gamboa isn’t, GTFOOH with your BS. I see right through you. Everyone will eventually because you are so obvious and I’ll just keep pointing out your double standards and they’ll catch on to exactly when they appl. You can’t do the same thing every time forever before people see it

Maybe you should just start ignoring Fenster. You are trying to make him look bad but you just make yourself look bad because you are so obsessed with him. You claim that you just have a certain type of “attitude,” but come across as very vengeful as if you had something traumatic happen to you as a kid and now want all those who have wronged you or anyone like that to suffer.

If something traumatic did happen to you then I truly am sorry. That’s awful. I just want you to know that there are better and more healthy ways to deal with it.

[Ron Swanson]

Donaire is in a different stratosphere to Gamboa and Ortiz, not just the fact he was still a current highly rated "world" champion but his past accomplishments. He was underrated against Inoue. Boxing fans are too quick to write off proven world-class fighters. Class is permanent.

Donaire - four weight "world" champion, Ring Belt Champion, defeated thirteen former/future "world" champions, 2012 Fighter of the Year, 2007 Upset of the Year, 2007, 2011 KO of the Year, spent four years concurrent top six P4P rated (Ring). First Ballot HOF. Fact.

Gamboa - former featherweight "world" champion, defeated 6 former "world" champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

Ortiz - ZERO x "world" champion, defeated ZERO former/current champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

You still claiming Miguel Marriaga coming off a loss and moving up in weight is a good opponent? 3 world title opportunities, 3 losses. Bunch of bums otherwise but wins your favor because you like the opponent, fact. Is it that you are a terrible judge of talent or that you have an agenda?

You are so obvious. Marriaga is good but Gamboa isn’t, GTFOOH with your BS. I see right through you. Everyone will eventually because you are so obvious and I’ll just keep pointing out your double standards and they’ll catch on to exactly when they appl. You can’t do the same thing every time forever before people see it

Maybe you should just start ignoring Fenster. You are trying to make him look bad but you just make yourself look bad because you are so obsessed with him. You claim that you just have a certain type of “attitude,” but come across as very vengeful as if you had something traumatic happen to you as a kid and now want all those who have wronged you or anyone like that to suffer.

If something traumatic did happen to you then I truly am sorry. That’s awful. I just want you to know that there are better and more healthy ways to deal with it.

I’m good man. Thanks

I ignored the coincidences for years. Eventually people need to speak up or we are condoning it

[Fenster]

Donaire is in a different stratosphere to Gamboa and Ortiz, not just the fact he was still a current highly rated "world" champion but his past accomplishments. He was underrated against Inoue. Boxing fans are too quick to write off proven world-class fighters. Class is permanent.

Donaire - four weight "world" champion, Ring Belt Champion, defeated thirteen former/future "world" champions, 2012 Fighter of the Year, 2007 Upset of the Year, 2007, 2011 KO of the Year, spent four years concurrent top six P4P rated (Ring). First Ballot HOF. Fact.

Gamboa - former featherweight "world" champion, defeated 6 former "world" champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

Ortiz - ZERO x "world" champion, defeated ZERO former/current champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

You still claiming Miguel Marriaga coming off a loss and moving up in weight is a good opponent? 3 world title opportunities, 3 losses. Bunch of bums otherwise but wins your favor because you like the opponent, fact. Is it that you are a terrible judge of talent or that you have an agenda?

You are so obvious. Marriaga is good but Gamboa isn’t, GTFOOH with your BS. I see right through you. Everyone will eventually because you are so obvious and I’ll just keep pointing out your double standards and they’ll catch on to exactly when they appl. You can’t do the same thing every time forever before people see it

Maybe you should just start ignoring Fenster. You are trying to make him look bad but you just make yourself look bad because you are so obsessed with him. You claim that you just have a certain type of “attitude,” but come across as very vengeful as if you had something traumatic happen to you as a kid and now want all those who have wronged you or anyone like that to suffer.

If something traumatic did happen to you then I truly am sorry. That’s awful. I just want you to know that there are better and more healthy ways to deal with it.

Funny thing is, if he saw me he'd think - that guy? That's the guy i'm in awe of? The guy I constantly slander? The guy I attempted to ruin? Then walk of shaking his damn head, wouldn't even ask for a selfie.

[Fenster]

Tank's first fight in 2020 is guaranteed PPV. Who against? It doesn't matter who against as Tank is a superstar, he can fight anyone.

Do these pricks like Ellerbe actually realise they're constantly shitting all over their audience? He might as well say - the fans are morons, they'll buy anything as long as Tank gives them a body. Everytime Radio Raheem brings up Loma, Teo, Haney etc it doesn't matter as Tank doesn't need them they need Tank.

[powerpuncher]

Sounds like Davis had trouble making weight. Missed it the first time around but made it the next. It’s always weird to me when someone moves up in weight and misses weight or comes close to missing it. It’s like they think 5 pounds is a lot and they can eat a lot more food.

Also sounds like he created a riot on the stage by shoving Gamboa before Davis even weighed in. Haven’t seen the video of it yet though.

I still think that Tank wins pretty easily though. Gambia’s main chance is that he is still very athletic and is quick enough to maybe be able to counter with some pick punches.

[Spicoli]

Easy paths little discipline and promotion that takes fans for complete fools with instant ppv star talk. Oh and Broner as a best bud . He may very well look sensational tomorrow night, the 'next Mayweather' it's expected. But he's starting to really feel like a guy who is in danger of letting it pass him by.

[Ron Swanson]

Sounds like Davis had trouble making weight. Missed it the first time around but made it the next. It’s always weird to me when someone moves up in weight and misses weight or comes close to missing it. It’s like they think 5 pounds is a lot and they can eat a lot more food.

Also sounds like he created a riot on the stage by shoving Gamboa before Davis even weighed in. Haven’t seen the video of it yet though.

I still think that Tank wins pretty easily though. Gambia’s main chance is that he is still very athletic and is quick enough to maybe be able to counter with some pick punches.

It may seem like that but it is not necessarily that at all. Most fighters cut a significant amount of weight. Sometimes it comes off better than other times. He may have ate exactly right to be on weight for his cut and just had the cut go wrong.

He could have been overweight before the cut, just saying he may have done his diet exactly right and just f’d up the cut.

We will never know unless it’s competitive. If it’s a hard fight and he fades his weight was probably off. If it’s a hard fight and he finishes strong his weight was probably right.

Either way the dude needs to get away from Broner

[Ron Swanson]

For those unfamiliar with the injury

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOhgb1pn6Q0

[TitoFan]

That was very informative, thank you. So basically according to Dr. Sutterer, Gamboa and his people were correct in calling it a rupture.
Still.... I still have the same takeaways from the fight and injury as I did before.
Namely:

1. Regardless of whether it was a rupture or tear, the fact of the matter is that Gamboa sustained a significant injury to his Achilles and displayed major "cojones" in continuing to fight and last until the 12th round.

2. With all due respect to Dr. Sutterer and the entire medical field, I think it's confusing to call a tear a "partial rupture." To me, the word "rupture" immediately conjures up the vision of complete separation, regardless of the size of the gap.
The interchanging of the terms "partial tear" and "partial rupture" lend confusion to a condition that is pretty straightforward. Either the ligament is cut all the way through, or it's not.

3. So to me, it's likely that Gamboa suffered a partial tear of the Achilles. If he did in fact "rupture" his Achilles and yet continued to fight, he moves to 1st place in the Major Cojones category.