10 Biggest Polluters on Earth

[Beanz]

Listening to radio today and they said that whilst countries like USA, China, Brazil etc. are the biggest manufacturers and producers of pollution the biggest consumers are Europe.

Consumers of pollution?

J/K

I'm assuming they meant the biggest consumers of goods and products manufactured by these countries that produce the largest amounts of pollution, then.

Still.... thanks for getting the thread back on point.

Pollution, unlike climate change, is an unarguable fact. It needs to be addressed like yesterday.

Rapid Global Climate change is an unarguable fact. There such an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion that countries around the world are toppling like dominoes in declaring a climate emergency. The denial lobby is characterized by it's denial of science and logic, and it's unabashed funding by the people most responsible for creating the pollutants that are causing it. You can extract pollution from Climate change anymore than you can pretend that the massive global extinction of species that rises everyday (not saying that you do) has nothing to do with the same problem.

The raised voices of ignorance are not to be treated equally as though there 'beliefs' and 'feelings' are equivalent to evidence.

[El Kabong]

Rapid Global Climate change is an unarguable fact. There such an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion that countries around the world are toppling like dominoes in declaring a climate emergency. The denial lobby is characterized by it's denial of science and logic, and it's unabashed funding by the people most responsible for creating the pollutants that are causing it. You can extract pollution from Climate change anymore than you can pretend that the massive global extinction of species that rises everyday (not saying that you do) has nothing to do with the same problem.

The raised voices of ignorance are not to be treated equally as though there 'beliefs' and 'feelings' are equivalent to evidence.

It's plenty arguable. Science doesn't run on consensus. Countries are subsidized to make such declarations. Oh if you deny you're part of a "lobby" eh? America has done a great job in limiting their output of CO2, China not so much, and yet China is never asked to do ANYTHING, gee I wonder why? CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL.


OK then sport, solve the crisis. State what is needed to solve the crisis. The Green New Deal? Something similar? Provide an explanation of how this "climate crisis" is remedied....I'm quite interested in this and how it won't involve totalitarian control of every single aspect of our lives and these solutions are going to involve the deaths of millions of people.....do please explain

[TitoFan]

To separate the climate change scientists from the Fake News scourge that is all the rage nowadays, it's probably worthwhile to put together/fortify a multi-national group of scientists that respond to no one and no special interests. Easier said than done, right? But it must be done, because nowadays if someone doesn't like a particular set of news, they can always claim "Fake News" and everything is thrown into a boiling cauldron of smelly shit. It's an important enough issue/non-issue that we humans deserve all the facts. Clean, verifiable, scientific-based, unadulterated, un-slanted.... FACTS. As I've said countless times... I'm neither an alarmist nor a blind denier. I'm an interested human being is having everyone do what is best for the planet. I separate climate change from pollution because.... although there may yet be a link to be found.... pollution is right there in front of our faces, killing off sea life, choking rivers and oceans. Alas..... this is yet another in a long line of issues that just gets torn to shreds by bickering and people with agendas on both sides.

Maybe if we made the FOCUS on pollution rather than climate change.... we'd force the deniers to at least give the other side the time of day. After all..... what is supposedly causing climate change? Pollution....... RIGHT? So let's focus on the undeniable factor that allegedly is causing climate change..... instead of going for the result, which gives the deniers a target to shoot at.

My two cents.

[Beanz]

Rapid Global Climate change is an unarguable fact. There such an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion that countries around the world are toppling like dominoes in declaring a climate emergency. The denial lobby is characterized by it's denial of science and logic, and it's unabashed funding by the people most responsible for creating the pollutants that are causing it. You can extract pollution from Climate change anymore than you can pretend that the massive global extinction of species that rises everyday (not saying that you do) has nothing to do with the same problem.

The raised voices of ignorance are not to be treated equally as though there 'beliefs' and 'feelings' are equivalent to evidence.

It's plenty arguable. Science doesn't run on consensus. Countries are subsidized to make such declarations. Oh if you deny you're part of a "lobby" eh? America has done a great job in limiting their output of CO2, China not so much, and yet China is never asked to do ANYTHING, gee I wonder why? CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL.


OK then sport, solve the crisis. State what is needed to solve the crisis. The Green New Deal? Something similar? Provide an explanation of how this "climate crisis" is remedied....I'm quite interested in this and how it won't involve totalitarian control of every single aspect of our lives and these solutions are going to involve the deaths of millions of people.....do please explain

Stop telling lies. It is a nasty habit of yours.

Science does absolutely run on consensus.


To suggest otherwise just betrays your ignorance and puts you in exactly the same boat as Alpha (Gandalf will have to budge over a bit). Scientific papers are pored over by experts in the field, everyone of which is far more qualified to judge the content than you, or the idiots who feed you Kool aid, and then the entire subject becomes smarter by experts again working on the questions raised by those papers, and trying to capture even more evidence to build a more complete consensual picture of the subject in hand.

Consensus makes the world go around. I know you are terrified of progress and even words like 'Union' and 'Solidarity', but people like yourself and Trump actually hold the entire species back from concentrating on what is important. You mistake not liking the implications of scientific fact, with having some kind of expertise that allows you to disagree with over 90% of the thousands studying it for the last few decades.

Supreme arrogance and supreme ignorance are often the same thing.


https://futurism.com/what-is-scientific-consensus

[Alpha]

Rapid Global Climate change is an unarguable fact. There such an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion that countries around the world are toppling like dominoes in declaring a climate emergency. The denial lobby is characterized by it's denial of science and logic, and it's unabashed funding by the people most responsible for creating the pollutants that are causing it. You can extract pollution from Climate change anymore than you can pretend that the massive global extinction of species that rises everyday (not saying that you do) has nothing to do with the same problem.

The raised voices of ignorance are not to be treated equally as though there 'beliefs' and 'feelings' are equivalent to evidence.

It's plenty arguable. Science doesn't run on consensus. Countries are subsidized to make such declarations. Oh if you deny you're part of a "lobby" eh? America has done a great job in limiting their output of CO2, China not so much, and yet China is never asked to do ANYTHING, gee I wonder why? CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL.


OK then sport, solve the crisis. State what is needed to solve the crisis. The Green New Deal? Something similar? Provide an explanation of how this "climate crisis" is remedied....I'm quite interested in this and how it won't involve totalitarian control of every single aspect of our lives and these solutions are going to involve the deaths of millions of people.....do please explain

Stop telling lies. It is a nasty habit of yours.

Science does absolutely run on consensus.


To suggest otherwise just betrays your ignorance and puts you in exactly the same boat as Alpha (Gandalf will have to budge over a bit). Scientific papers are pored over by experts in the field, everyone of which is far more qualified to judge the content than you, or the idiots who feed you Kool aid, and then the entire subject becomes smarter by experts again working on the questions raised by those papers, and trying to capture even more evidence to build a more complete consensual picture of the subject in hand.

Consensus makes the world go around. I know you are terrified of progress and even words like 'Union' and 'Solidarity', but people like yourself and Trump actually hold the entire species back from concentrating on what is important. You mistake not liking the implications of scientific fact, with having some kind of expertise that allows you to disagree with over 90% of the thousands studying it for the last few decades.

Supreme arrogance and supreme ignorance are often the same thing.


https://futurism.com/what-is-scientific-consensus

Beanz, you're one of the problems that human beings are experiencing right now, because you're going to go with concensus, regardless whether its right or wrong, and you think that's sane. That's insanity, what you are stating.

You have faulty reasoning, appeals to consensus (argumentum ad populum) is not science. What you're saying is you don't have the responsibility and the inclination to understand your reality. That's fine, if you want to live in ignorance that's up to you.

[El Kabong]

Insane? Maybe...it is groupthink though, blind unquestioning adherence. Best of luck with THAT

[Beanz]

Rapid Global Climate change is an unarguable fact. There such an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion that countries around the world are toppling like dominoes in declaring a climate emergency. The denial lobby is characterized by it's denial of science and logic, and it's unabashed funding by the people most responsible for creating the pollutants that are causing it. You can extract pollution from Climate change anymore than you can pretend that the massive global extinction of species that rises everyday (not saying that you do) has nothing to do with the same problem.

The raised voices of ignorance are not to be treated equally as though there 'beliefs' and 'feelings' are equivalent to evidence.

It's plenty arguable. Science doesn't run on consensus. Countries are subsidized to make such declarations. Oh if you deny you're part of a "lobby" eh? America has done a great job in limiting their output of CO2, China not so much, and yet China is never asked to do ANYTHING, gee I wonder why? CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL.


OK then sport, solve the crisis. State what is needed to solve the crisis. The Green New Deal? Something similar? Provide an explanation of how this "climate crisis" is remedied....I'm quite interested in this and how it won't involve totalitarian control of every single aspect of our lives and these solutions are going to involve the deaths of millions of people.....do please explain

Stop telling lies. It is a nasty habit of yours.

Science does absolutely run on consensus.


To suggest otherwise just betrays your ignorance and puts you in exactly the same boat as Alpha (Gandalf will have to budge over a bit). Scientific papers are pored over by experts in the field, everyone of which is far more qualified to judge the content than you, or the idiots who feed you Kool aid, and then the entire subject becomes smarter by experts again working on the questions raised by those papers, and trying to capture even more evidence to build a more complete consensual picture of the subject in hand.

Consensus makes the world go around. I know you are terrified of progress and even words like 'Union' and 'Solidarity', but people like yourself and Trump actually hold the entire species back from concentrating on what is important. You mistake not liking the implications of scientific fact, with having some kind of expertise that allows you to disagree with over 90% of the thousands studying it for the last few decades.

Supreme arrogance and supreme ignorance are often the same thing.


https://futurism.com/what-is-scientific-consensus

Beanz, you're one of the problems that human beings are experiencing right now, because you're going to go with concensus, regardless whether its right or wrong, and you think that's sane. That's insanity, what you are stating.

You have faulty reasoning, appeals to consensus (argumentum ad populum) is not science. What you're saying is you don't have the responsibility and the inclination to understand your reality. That's fine, if you want to live in ignorance that's up to you.

Bollocks. Complete and utter twaddle mate. Anyone, even with a modicum of intelligence can use rationality and logic to asses the work of others and to see why the scientific community have come to a unified conclusion. You are advocating dismissing entirely the idea of expertise , scientific rigour, excellence and application and the actual idea of intelligence altogether because you think your 'feelings' trump all of that. You have been repeatedly called out on your ignorance, but like El Kabong, you have yet to learn the lesson that humility teaches you. It is not weak to be wrong about something, to question it and then to come to another conclusion.

Neither of you have ever put forward your own conclusions. Just the learned gobbldeegook and nonsense you were sold by people who like you do not value science, experience or intelligence.

You don't teach your kids to be kids do you? That is natural and innate and yet her you are suggesting that everyone dismisses the adults and as children just trust their own 'feelings' and the dumb stories other immature people try to sell them to make them feel special. Instead of learning to be adults by listening to someone who has greater knowledge and experience of a subject.

Believe me I know exactly what if feels like to be lied to for years, and it was not done by respected members of the scientific community . It was by people who had far more in common with your conspiracy cult wide boys, and El Kabongs Conservative Christian evangelicals.

Nobody is saying not to question things, other than you both who claim to have a monopoly on your own 'Special' truths.

[El Kabong]

Bollocks. Complete and utter twaddle mate. Anyone, even with a modicum of intelligence can use rationality and logic to asses the work of others and to see why the scientific community have come to a unified conclusion. You are advocating dismissing entirely the idea of expertise , scientific rigour, excellence and application and the actual idea of intelligence altogether because you think your 'feelings' trump all of that. You have been repeatedly called out on your ignorance, but like El Kabong, you have yet to learn the lesson that humility teaches you. It is not weak to be wrong about something, to question it and then to come to another conclusion.

Neither of you have ever put forward your own conclusions. Just the learned gobbldeegook and nonsense you were sold by people who like you do not value science, experience or intelligence.

You don't teach your kids to be kids do you? That is natural and innate and yet her you are suggesting that everyone dismisses the adults and as children just trust their own 'feelings' and the dumb stories other immature people try to sell them to make them feel special. Instead of learning to be adults by listening to someone who has greater knowledge and experience of a subject.

Believe me I know exactly what if feels like to be lied to for years, and it was not done by respected members of the scientific community . It was by people who had far more in common with your conspiracy cult wide boys, and El Kabongs Conservative Christian evangelicals.

Nobody is saying not to question things, other than you both who claim to have a monopoly on your own 'Special' truths.

Have YOU learned the lesson humility teaches you?


Yeah I have my own conclusions on the Anthropogenic Global Climate Change hysteria. #1 It's a power grab #2 it's a money grab #3 it plays more off of emotion than science. You look at something like the Paris Climate Accords, the United States are out of them (everyone boos) the United States is hitting lower and lower levels of CO2 emitted without it (to no applause or any kind of acknowledgement at all)....the Paris Climate Accords were about $$$$$ and control and nothing else. Not only that, the money wouldn't be audited where it went what it went for, it just leaves America and vanishes among 3rd World nations, corrupt foundations, etc. But you likely are dismissive of these things from the start and so there's no real use in attempting to explain to you, just like there's no real use in bringing up Climategate where the "scientific researchers" blatantly and purposefully fudged their data in order to achieve the numbers they wanted to achieve.....radio silence on the other end and/or very lukewarm dismissals of that being a scandal. Very telling and like I said before groupthink, blind unquestioning adherence. Then there's the looooooooooooooooong history of these very same "scientists" being extraordinarily wrong, not a great track record for them.

You constantly lump me into this cult that raised you...you don't know me, and even when I tell you my beliefs you don't take my word for it, you attack me and then say I can't be Christian or that I "pick & choose"....I try my best to not take that personally, I know you're not in a right mind when you attack me.


You're free to worship the cult of Greta, nobody is stopping you.

[Beanz]

Systems of control are often very, very similar. You blindly worship at the feet of the God of Ignorance in Trump so stop kidding yourself and admit that being wrong for virtually all your adult life so far is not weak.

Small steps.

One at a time.

[Alpha]

Rapid Global Climate change is an unarguable fact. There such an overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion that countries around the world are toppling like dominoes in declaring a climate emergency. The denial lobby is characterized by it's denial of science and logic, and it's unabashed funding by the people most responsible for creating the pollutants that are causing it. You can extract pollution from Climate change anymore than you can pretend that the massive global extinction of species that rises everyday (not saying that you do) has nothing to do with the same problem.

The raised voices of ignorance are not to be treated equally as though there 'beliefs' and 'feelings' are equivalent to evidence.

It's plenty arguable. Science doesn't run on consensus. Countries are subsidized to make such declarations. Oh if you deny you're part of a "lobby" eh? America has done a great job in limiting their output of CO2, China not so much, and yet China is never asked to do ANYTHING, gee I wonder why? CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL.


OK then sport, solve the crisis. State what is needed to solve the crisis. The Green New Deal? Something similar? Provide an explanation of how this "climate crisis" is remedied....I'm quite interested in this and how it won't involve totalitarian control of every single aspect of our lives and these solutions are going to involve the deaths of millions of people.....do please explain

Stop telling lies. It is a nasty habit of yours.

Science does absolutely run on consensus.


To suggest otherwise just betrays your ignorance and puts you in exactly the same boat as Alpha (Gandalf will have to budge over a bit). Scientific papers are pored over by experts in the field, everyone of which is far more qualified to judge the content than you, or the idiots who feed you Kool aid, and then the entire subject becomes smarter by experts again working on the questions raised by those papers, and trying to capture even more evidence to build a more complete consensual picture of the subject in hand.

Consensus makes the world go around. I know you are terrified of progress and even words like 'Union' and 'Solidarity', but people like yourself and Trump actually hold the entire species back from concentrating on what is important. You mistake not liking the implications of scientific fact, with having some kind of expertise that allows you to disagree with over 90% of the thousands studying it for the last few decades.

Supreme arrogance and supreme ignorance are often the same thing.


https://futurism.com/what-is-scientific-consensus

Beanz, you're one of the problems that human beings are experiencing right now, because you're going to go with concensus, regardless whether its right or wrong, and you think that's sane. That's insanity, what you are stating.

You have faulty reasoning, appeals to consensus (argumentum ad populum) is not science. What you're saying is you don't have the responsibility and the inclination to understand your reality. That's fine, if you want to live in ignorance that's up to you.

Bollocks. Complete and utter twaddle mate. Anyone, even with a modicum of intelligence can use rationality and logic to asses the work of others and to see why the scientific community have come to a unified conclusion. You are advocating dismissing entirely the idea of expertise , scientific rigour, excellence and application and the actual idea of intelligence altogether because you think your 'feelings' trump all of that. You have been repeatedly called out on your ignorance, but like El Kabong, you have yet to learn the lesson that humility teaches you. It is not weak to be wrong about something, to question it and then to come to another conclusion.

Neither of you have ever put forward your own conclusions. Just the learned gobbldeegook and nonsense you were sold by people who like you do not value science, experience or intelligence.

You don't teach your kids to be kids do you? That is natural and innate and yet her you are suggesting that everyone dismisses the adults and as children just trust their own 'feelings' and the dumb stories other immature people try to sell them to make them feel special. Instead of learning to be adults by listening to someone who has greater knowledge and experience of a subject.

Believe me I know exactly what if feels like to be lied to for years, and it was not done by respected members of the scientific community . It was by people who had far more in common with your conspiracy cult wide boys, and El Kabongs Conservative Christian evangelicals.

Nobody is saying not to question things, other than you both who claim to have a monopoly on your own 'Special' truths.

I am saying look at the actual science. You are pushing appeals to consensus. And appeals to authority. Completely faulty reasoning.

Anyone is welcome to call me out, all I'm asking for is physical practical demonstartions/ experiments, you know, actual science. Not the pseudoscience you subscribe to.

I have already admitted I was wrong about something and come to my own conclusions. For years I believed the nonsense I was taught.

I teach my children to think critically for themselves. If you want to start talking about others' families, people you don't know and aren't here to defend themselves, then don't cry when I start in on your missus. Take the warning.

I have no "special truths", only scientific fact, through observation and experiment.